Originally posted by bas
Oh please that's such a reach :stongue:
i don't think it is. when avatar first came out and people i knew started talking about it, it was the themes they were talking about after how cool the visual effects were. i imagine that's happening elsewhere in the world where those themes are more immediately relevant to others than they are to us. also in every interview i've come across on the movie, the dialogue inevitably turns to those issues after all the industry talk is done.
R!CH
i'm not saying avatar is the best movie of the decade or even the past few years, but this last year was filled with movie after movie and avatar was definitely the best of them. it was certainly better than hurt locker and without a doubt more accomplished.
Lilith
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Originally posted by Sushipunk
Do you think that the following is a bad thing to teach children:
Mining and deforestation are bad for the environment, and have unforeseen issues.
Because I'd raise my children not to be idiots and treat them as equals they may as well have the truth of the matter.
See kids, the great big holes in the ground and environmental destruction for lumber that we in the western world rely so heavily on in the western world, we outsource our needs to the developing nations of the world so we don't have to look at it in our own backyards.
Yes, it is very bad for the environment
But in the western world we really, really need it for manufacturing, so we outsource that as well to developing nations so we don't have to look at it in our own backyards.
Yes, it is very bad for the environment.
But we do it anyway, because we need it so badly, yes I know its hypocritical of us to heap Kyoto protocols on developing countries because they do all our resource acquisitions and heavy production by the most efficient means possible because we're not prepared to have a dent in our lifestyle for them to do it in a cost-sustainability equation to the environment.
Well, the alternative is that your little sister helps me gather firewood every day and your little brother goes down a claustrophobic hole in the ground to hack out tin, diamonds and coal by hand, probably dying in the process like they do in 3rd world countries.
We live in a mud hut, with no TV... or electricity and our life expectancy is sub-50 years, just like theirs.
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Originally posted by Sushipunk
What I'd like to see, though, is James Cameron putting a good portion of that ASSLOAD of money into the environmental areas that made him all that cash.
HAHHAHAH! :haha:
bas
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Originally posted by R!CH
i don't think it is. when avatar first came out and people i knew started talking about it, it was the themes they were talking about after how cool the visual effects were. i imagine that's happening elsewhere in the world where those themes are more immediately relevant to others than they are to us. also in every interview i've come across on the movie, the dialogue inevitably turns to those issues after all the industry talk is done.
I'm pretty sure there are lots of people that took that from the movie, but to say that it 'raised awareness' is a bit naive. I don't think that was Cameron's intention, and I would say maybe 80% of the audience didn't see that either :p
James Cameron could have made Robot Unicorn Attack using the same technology and it would have made just as much money (and had a better soundtrack).
Sushipunk
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Originally posted by Lilith
Because I'd raise my children not to be idiots and treat them as equals they may as well have the truth of the matter.
See kids, the great big holes in the ground and environmental destruction for lumber that we in the western world rely so heavily on in the western world, we outsource our needs to the developing nations of the world so we don't have to look at it in our own backyards.
Yes, it is very bad for the environment
But in the western world we really, really need it for manufacturing, so we outsource that as well to developing nations so we don't have to look at it in our own backyards.
Yes, it is very bad for the environment.
But we do it anyway, because we need it so badly, yes I know its hypocritical of us to heap Kyoto protocols on developing countries because they do all our resource acquisitions and heavy production by the most efficient means possible because we're not prepared to have a dent in our lifestyle for them to do it in a cost-sustainability equation to the environment.
Well, the alternative is that your little sister helps me gather firewood every day and your little brother goes down a claustrophobic hole in the ground to hack out tin, diamonds and coal by hand, probably dying in the process like they do in 3rd world countries.
We live in a mud hut, with no TV... or electricity and our life expectancy is sub-50 years, just like theirs.
I understand all of that, Lilith :)
I just feel that it is, overall, a remarkably irresponsible way to go about things. I'm not deluded enough to think that I can go out and magically change the way the world currently works. I just wonder how long it will take before everything gets ed to the point of 'no turning back'. There's only so much you can cut down/extract from the ground. We're an inventive bunch though, so we'll figure something out. Trees make oxygen, but I'm sure we can too.
Sucks for the environment though :sadgreen:
Lilith
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Originally posted by Sushipunk
I understand all of that, Lilith :)
Yes but the majority of advocates for the movie and environmentalism have this wonderful irony where they ignore the comparative opulence of their lives and the right to disagree with the way the world turns.
The double irony is that if you asked the majority of them if they would take a 50% reduction to the income and lifestyle to maintain a sustainable environmental solution, they would say no... things like going to see a James Cameron mega-film would be more an unheard of luxury.
But hey, what do I know, I'm just a bourgeoisie little bitch. ;)
Joss Weatherby
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Originally posted by stren
Avatar got the technical categories, good. The biggest surprise is the Hurt locker, it was good, but was it really the best picture ?
Jeff Bridges ftw!
That scene at the end in the grocery store. Perfect description of the whole mantra of the film. To be quite frank I got a little bit of tear in the eye. Very awe inspiring.
Jackson
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
That scene at the end in the grocery store. Perfect description of the whole mantra of the film. To be quite frank I got a little bit of tear in the eye. Very awe inspiring.
Agreed. It almost made you happy to see him back in Iraq, knowing that was where he felt most comfortable.
Lews
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Originally posted by Sushipunk
I agree. Thankfully, there were no references or undertones regarding this, in Avatar.
I don't get it Stu.
Yeah it had environmental messages, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a ing awful movie.
Lews is confused :(
Clovis
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Originally posted by R!CH
i'm not saying avatar is the best movie of the decade or even the past few years, but this last year was filled with movie after movie and avatar was definitely the best of them. it was certainly better than hurt locker and without a doubt more accomplished.
Dj Minaya
Point Break deserved the win and she got it.
Avatar was a massive TECHNICAL achievement. Nothing else. Story has been told numerous times by many previous filmmakers and in a much better fashion. It got what it deserved and an ASSLOAD of cash.
Everyone needs to stop acting like Cameron made a 3D version of Citizen Kane. I look forward to his next project which I hope is Battle Angel.
Good for Christoph as well, he was the greatest part of Basterds.
The awards are to begin with. No nominations (in various categories not all best picture mind you) for Away We Go, Moon, Bronson, Brothers Bloom, Where The Wild Things Are, and Me & Orson Wells to name a few.
