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| Cpt.Cocaine |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I feel like I got punched in the stomach tonight |
As of now, this is a non-issue. |
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| osterzone |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Why do you want 16.500 people to be out of work? Isn't that all the new rage within the conservative movement, jobs? (Probably not since they bitch about unemployment while doing their best to vote down any jobs bill that comes around) IRS agents are people to, that's 16.500 families you don't want to be able to afford their daily bread. What kind of a sick are you, wishing 16.500 people to be unemployed, shame on you. |
Lolololol
You try to make the point that any job is a good job, even an IRS agent. Well first off, do you even know who those are? Or are you just another foreign liberal with nothing better to do than bash America?
You also make the point as if these people don't get hired, they will starve.
Can you point to me where it says that the 16,500 people who will be hired to these positions are the only working members of their families, and will die if they don't get it?
My post had facts in it. Your post was an attack with nothing but assumptions. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Why do you want 16.500 people to be out of work? Isn't that all the new rage within the conservative movement, jobs? (Probably not since they bitch about unemployment while doing their best to vote down any jobs bill that comes around) IRS agents are people to, that's 16.500 families you don't want to be able to afford their daily bread. What kind of a sick are you, wishing 16.500 people to be unemployed, shame on you. |
Win :stongue:
And with that, I'm getting some sleep. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | | Originally posted by osterzone |
The IRS jobs are part of the bill because if we are going to enforce a new set of taxes or fines, we are also going to need more enforcers. |
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| Scottaculous |
| quote: | Originally posted by osterzone
$10 billion in the bill is going to hire 16,500 new IRS agents to make sure people are paying for healthcare, or else they will be fined. So not only is the size of government increasing, but we're going to waste $10 billion in taxpayer money to make sure that people are paying for something that they should have a right to choose in in the first place.
Clovis here are some additional rules on how to answer this post:
1) Refer to the fact above
2) Do not hit 'submit' if your response doesn't do just that. |
You're an idiot if you think most Americans have a choice in healthcare. I can't choose not to have health insurance because to choose otherwise is a HUGE gamble that makes no economic sense. I can't choose which insurance plan to take because the company plan is always cheaper than individual plans. I can't choose when my premiums rise, at the insurance company's discretion, because my fellow Americans are fat and unhealthy. I can't choose not to absorb the cost of the uninsured. We are already implicitly in this together. You're just too dumb to realize that the choice has already been chosen for you.
Furthermore, the IRS isn't your problem rather it's your cheats. If our fellow Americans were more honest, we wouldn't need more enforcers. |
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| _Ocean_Drive_ |
Yes, it's Michael Moore, but it's pretty spot-on...
| quote: | March 22nd, 2010 3:38 AM
The Great Thing About the Health Care Law That Has Passed? It Will Save Republican Lives, Too (An Open Letter to Republicans from Michael Moore)
To My Fellow Citizens, the Republicans:
Thanks to last night's vote, that child of yours who has had asthma since birth will now be covered after suffering for her first nine years as an American child with a pre-existing condition.
Thanks to last night's vote, that 23-year-old of yours who will be hit one day by a drunk driver and spend six months recovering in the hospital will now not go bankrupt because you will be able to keep him on your insurance policy.
Thanks to last night's vote, after your cancer returns for the third time -- racking up another $200,000 in costs to keep you alive -- your insurance company will have to commit a criminal act if they even think of dropping you from their rolls.
Yes, my Republican friends, even though you have opposed this health care bill, we've made sure it is going to cover you, too, in your time of need. I know you're upset right now. I know you probably think that if you did get wiped out by an illness, or thrown out of your home because of a medical bankruptcy, that you would somehow pull yourself up by your bootstraps and survive. I know that's a comforting story to tell yourself, and if John Wayne were still alive I'm sure he could make that into a movie for you.
But the reality is that these health insurance companies have only one mission: To take as much money from you as they can -- and then work like demons to deny you whatever coverage and help they can should you get sick.
So, when you find yourself suddenly broadsided by a life-threatening illness someday, perhaps you'll thank those pinko-socialist, Canadian-loving Democrats and independents for what they did Sunday evening.
If it's any consolation, the thieves who run the health insurance companies will still get to deny coverage to adults with pre-existing conditions for the next four years. They'll also get to cap an individual's annual health care reimbursements for the next four years. And if they break the pre-existing ban that was passed last night, they'll only be fined $100 a day! And, the best part? The law will require all citizens who aren't poor or old to write a check to a private insurance company. It's truly a banner day for these corporations.
So don't feel too bad. We're a long way from universal health care. Over 15 million Americans will still be uncovered -- and that means about 15,000 will still lose their lives each year because they won't be able to afford to see a doctor or get an operation. But another 30,000 will live. I hope that's ok with you.
If you don't mind, we're now going to get busy trying to improve upon this bill so that all Americans are covered and so the grubby health insurance companies will be put out of business -- because when it comes to helping the sick, no one should ever be allowed to ask the question, "How much money can we save by making this poor bastard suffer?"
Please, my Republican friends, if you can, take a quiet moment away from your AM radio and cable news network this morning and be happy for your country. We're doing better. And we're doing it for you, too.
Yours,
Michael Moore |
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| woscar |
| quote: | Originally posted by osterzone
Lolololol
You try to make the point that any job is a good job, even an IRS agent. Well first off, do you even know who those are? Or are you just another foreign liberal with nothing better to do than bash America?
You also make the point as if these people don't get hired, they will starve.
Can you point to me where it says that the 16,500 people who will be hired to these positions are the only working members of their families, and will die if they don't get it?
My post had facts in it. Your post was an attack with nothing but assumptions. |
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I think it's so awesome that every time you post something about a new subject you add that subject to the ever growing list of things you are an absolute idiot about. And the fact that you are so sure that you are right about everything makes you the worst kind of idiot there is. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scottaculous
Furthermore, the IRS isn't your problem rather it's your cheats. If our fellow Americans were more honest, we wouldn't need more enforcers. |
Well, if people were more honest, then even more of them would be uninsured, since they would have to disclose that they are too high of a risk for it to make financial sense to insure them at a premium they could afford. So really, honesty on its own is a solution only for the young and healthy. |
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| osterzone |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
:stongue:
I think it's so awesome that every time you post something about a new subject you add that subject to the ever growing list of things you are an absolute idiot about. And the fact that you are so sure that you are right about everything makes you the worst kind of idiot there is. |
Whatever, I'm done in this thread.
I mean look at this post you just made...the only thing you were out to accomplish was to attempt a pathetically-weak cheapshot. It has nothing to do with the subject at hand. And you think I'm the idiot...talking to you is like talking to a wall. |
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| Scottaculous |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Well, if people were more honest, then even more of them would be uninsured, since they would have to disclose that they are too high of a risk for it to make financial sense to insure them at a premium they could afford. So really, honesty on its own is a solution only for the young and healthy. |
If I was callous and looked only at my bottom line, I would not have an issue with this. I'm healthy as an ox and never made a medical claim besides annual check ups. Maybe I could get some tips from my friends across the aisle on how I should be more pissed off because I'm paying for their lifestyle. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scottaculous
If I was callous and looked only at my bottom line, I would not have an issue with this. I'm healthy as an ox and never made a medical claim besides annual check ups. Maybe I could get some tips from my friends across the aisle on how I should be more pissed off because I'm paying for their lifestyle. |
Lifestyle often has nothing to do with why a person gets sick. People who diet and exercise impeccably can still break down and get cancer or dementia eventually. Sorry to bring you the sad news.
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| WittyHandle |
| Did Rush promise that he would leave the country if the bill was passed, or do we have another hurdle to jump before he has to talk his way out of that too? |
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