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| Joss Weatherby |
You know who is going to get a ride out of office for sure? Washington States AG who is part of this 11 state lawsuit .
I agree that the feds shouldn't over reach into most everything, especially cost wise (see the federal ID standards), but this is something Washington should not being fighting against. The only reason we have a Republican AG is because the other guy was a know nothing little . Hell I voted for the Republican candidate. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
This time, the Dems are willing to blow up their political careers to pass this. Crazy IMO, but they've been dreaming of this for 100 years; they can relax now because short term losses don't matter. From here on out, it's just going to be a matter of which party that happens to be in power can better manage it. |
I'm just curious, if the Democrats hold majorities in both houses in November, will you and your Republican friends actually admit that you're wrong and people did want this (or at least to move in this direction)? Using stats like 70% dislike this bill, is entirely dishonest, because you're not taking into consideration why people dislike the bill. There are tons of liberals in those numbers, because they feel this bill doesn't go far enough.
I mean, I really am about fed up with the whole debate, because it's obvious that neither side really knows what's in the bill. The whole debate as been full of lies on both sides. People on the right screaming "Socialism" or, as I read earlier "this is the step right before we people start being sent to the gulags in Alaska" as I read earlier, just show how little comprehension most people have about either a) what socialism is, or b) what's actually in the bill. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
... because they're too dumb to understand it right now. Can't keep up with those intellectuals in Washington. |
Yes...actually. It's not the politicians that are driving this country into the ground. It's their idiot constituents, and that has nothing to do with partisanship. They exist on both sides, but the Republicans who feel slighted by this legislation are taking the cake right now, as shown by all the wall comments for this FB Group - http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/group.php?v=wall&ref=nf&gid=370668318969 |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
I mean, I really am about fed up with the whole debate, because it's obvious that neither side really knows what's in the bill. The whole debate as been full of lies on both sides. People on the right screaming "Socialism" or, as I read earlier "this is the step right before we people start being sent to the gulags in Alaska" as I read earlier, just show how little comprehension most people have about either a) what socialism is, or b) what's actually in the bill. |
No, those lines do not come from stupidity but from blind allegiance to ones benefactors. The Republican party is a good old boys club whos entire structure is very unified (unlike the Democrats). Their decisions come from the top down and their represenatives and constituents all follow the same line. The line they present is what is so great about their platform. It is all about fear, uncertainty, and doubt. They use FUD to wash over the real reasons why things like this will not work out for those that support the party. You can not go to an old guy on a farm in Missouri and say "we do not want to give everyone healthcare because big insurance companies do not want to cover the cost of those already sick" because that just would not fly. Saying something more scary, like "The government is going to take over who you can see and not see about your health" which is totally out of this world false makes the old guy tremble.
So, its not stupidity, but an undying trust in the officials that represent them. The lack of unity inside the Democratic party is not one of weakness (as it appears) but one of actual opinion and care for those who they represent. Look at Stupak, this is a Democrat who cared for his own convictions, he was elected on those convictions and he was willing to go against his entire party to the point where a bill that he over all supports would fail if it did not reflect the wishes he held. Try and see that in a republican. You wont. Even "mavericks" like John McCain are still shills for the entire RNC structure. They don't even have one lording overseer, they have an undying, in a lot of cases juedeo-christian, devotion to capitalism and the organs of it, which are the big businesses of this country.
So when you talk about facism and you are on the right, look at what facist bodies in the past have consisted of: Strong ties between government and business. |
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| Arbiter |
There was never any doubt that it was going to pass in some form or another. The outcome was determined long before the battle began.
As for the plan itself, what I've seen of it is largely garbage as a matter of policy, but it is still be an improvement over our earlier policy. I guess that's "progress," even if it's the getting your dog to on the tile floor instead of on the carpet kind of progress... |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
You know who is going to get a ride out of office for sure? Washington States AG who is part of this 11 state lawsuit .
I agree that the feds shouldn't over reach into most everything, especially cost wise (see the federal ID standards), but this is something Washington should not being fighting against. The only reason we have a Republican AG is because the other guy was a know nothing little . Hell I voted for the Republican candidate. |
Same =/
He'll be getting thrown the out though. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | | "one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free.” |
what a crock of |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Yes...actually. It's not the politicians that are driving this country into the ground. It's their idiot constituents, and that has nothing to do with partisanship. They exist on both sides, but the Republicans who feel slighted by this legislation are taking the cake right now, as shown by all the wall comments for this FB Group - http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/group.php?v=wall&ref=nf&gid=370668318969 |
I agree with you fully, and though there are complete imbeciles on all sides, the level of disconnect between what seems to be the mainstream view of the republican party vs. what this bill actually means is astronomical. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
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| Lomeli |
| I hope it covers my penis reduction. Can't go around anywhere without knocking things up and over. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
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lol |
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