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John 00 Fleming: Response to essential mix, state of trance today (pg. 9)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by FCB_Fanatic
He didn't say it's impossible, he said he wouldn't like it. |
...because it wouldn't have consistency. It really isn't difficult to follow. |
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| corjay9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
The whole argument is that if he really did play any track from any genre he likes as he's said in this thread then he wouldn't be a "trance DJ" at all. It's circular logic to say he's a trance DJ because he mainly plays trance, but he mainly plays trance because it ensures he's a trance DJ.
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I don't think so, I think he's a "trance" DJ because he likes trance. He produces trance, therefore he plays trance. I know where you're getting at, but he even said "I love trance and have been following it sinc 1990." He should play what he loves, first and foremost, not what will make him money. He's doing that, is there something wrong with playing trance if he likes it?
I know where you're going with all this, but I can tell that you are a fan of all kinds of different EDM. Not all people are. I'm sure there's an assload of people here who listen to trance exclusively, if they're DJs they most probably spin trance exclusively.
I personally don't like trance, only because I like my EDM at 125-130BPM. Some prog trance works for me, but I actually really enjoyed Johns set. |
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| FCB_Fanatic |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
...because it wouldn't have consistency. It really isn't difficult to follow. |
indeed it isn't: "Not everyone likes that much diversity in one set"
I for one am such a person. I like several genres, but I don't want to hear the full EDM genre spectrum on one night (sort to speak off course) |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by FCB_Fanatic
indeed it isn't: "Not everyone likes that much diversity in one set" |
Yes, when the DJ isn't good enough to pull it off properly. Read the thread.
And I really wish people would stop creating these straw men about how DJs need to "drop ABBA in a schranz set" or "play the entire spectrum of EDM in one night". Noone has claimed this. |
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| FCB_Fanatic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Yes, when the DJ isn't good enough to pull it off properly. Read the thread.
And I really wish people would stop creating these straw men about how DJs need to "drop ABBA in a schranz set" or "play the entire spectrum of EDM in one night". Noone has claimed this. |
read the whole sentence :rolleyes: |
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| corjay9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
...where Starkey decides to play a tune from the musical Annie, all while blending dubstep and grime with down south hiphop such as Betta Knock. |
Ok playing those genres of EDM in one set is the equivalent of playing progressive house, tech house, and deep house in the same set.
Or, psy trance, progressive house, progressive trance, and uplifting trance. :rolleyes: |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by corjay9
I don't think so, I think he's a "trance" DJ because he likes trance. He produces trance, therefore he plays trance. I know where you're getting at, but he even said "I love trance and have been following it sinc 1990." He should play what he loves, first and foremost, not what will make him money. He's doing that, is there something wrong with playing trance if he likes it? |
He also said:
"You see, in my eyes, we are all one in this scene and there should be no rules. DJ's should be allowed to express themselves musically and play all sorts of genres in their sets, as I like too."
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"The past decade the scene has got worse not allowing DJ's to breathe musically, it's my whole point about speaking out. Did you see me play 15 years ago? I used to play all sorts of music in my sets..."
I think it's pretty clear that J00F would like to play more than just trance and that he loves many other styles of music. Indeed, I get the impression that J00F just loves music, and that genre is unimportant. Boxing him in as a "trance DJ" who has a certain set of expectations, a certain type of fan and dancefloor to play to and a certain range of music to play is doing exactly what he doesn't want to happen.
People in this thread are supposed to be the clued-up trance fans with better taste than the masses, and yet they're reinforcing the scene's problems. Which, again, is why I don't like threads like this. J00F could play more varied music and his fans in this thread should support him, and yet they're all bleating about how much they would hate hearing genres and how much they don't really like eclecticism. It's all impotent, hypocritical talk. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by corjay9
Ok playing those genres of EDM in one set is the equivalent of playing progressive house, tech house, and deep house in the same set.
Or, psy trance, progressive house, progressive trance, and uplifting trance. :rolleyes: |
I'm quite sure that the people who went to that Starkey-gig did not expect to hear the music from the soundtrack of a musical. Nor would they have expected to hear that remix of Pharaohe Monche - Simon Says. See my point? |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by corjay9
Guess what? Not everyone likes that much diversity in one set, I personally think it's rediculous. Jumping through genres radically like that disorients me, |
this is marcuse's 'one dimensional man' par excellence. :stongue:
the last thing any well behaved citizen should want is to be disoriented! oh no!
if the great original deejays like larry levan sensed that people were getting too comfortable with a record or could predict what was going to happen next, they would shut the ing music off for 5 minutes and then play stravinsky |
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| corjay9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
this is marcuse's 'one dimensional man' par excellence. :stongue:
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My favorite DJ is Sasha, he's one of the most diverse DJs in the world. You took that quote out of context. Sand Leaper made me believe he knows of incredible DJs who drop acid house and happy hardcore flawlessly and consistently in the same set. Like I said, if the DJ can make a set transition, according to the mood and feel of the room, like Sasha, for Hernan Cattaneo, or example, I'm all for it.. but there are boundaries.
What I'm saying is, trance and house/techno are night and day, besides the 4/4. It's much harder to transition from trance to house with good flow, then it is for say, going from prog house to techno to deep house, where BPM, and overall song structure are similar.
Instead Sand Leaper shows me a set of how awesome some DJ is for playing grime, garage, dubstep, and hip hop in the same set.. you could argue they're all part of the same genre, with similar bpm, structure, and rythm. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by corjay9
you could argue they're all part of the same genre, with similar bpm, structure, and rythm. |
You are ing clueless. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by corjay9
My favorite DJ is Sasha, he's one of the most diverse DJs in the world. You took that quote out of context. Sand Leaper made me believe he knows of incredible DJs who drop acid house and happy hardcore flawlessly and consistently in the same set. Like I said, if the DJ can make a set transition, according to the mood and feel of the room, like Sasha, for Hernan Cattaneo, for example, I'm all for it.
Instead Sand Leaper shows me a set of how awesome some DJ is for playing grime, garage, dubstep, and hip hop in the same set.. you could argue they're all part of the same genre, with similar bpm, structure, and rythm. |
Christ.
I guess I'm wasting my time trying to argue this point to someone who lumps those four genres in as "part of the same genre", but nevertheless:
I've told you people about three times that this has nothing to do with how many genres a DJ can squeeze into a set or dropping a tune out of nowhere for the sake of it. The point is that these guys are not afraid to step outside of the sounds they are traditionally associated with, not afraid to take risks and do not like to play it safe. They play all the music they'd like to play, and don't feel boxed in like J00f does. These sets are examples of this. |
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