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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
how do you figure? |
It's not exactly a positive strawman, is it? |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It's not exactly a positive strawman, is it? |
It's not exactly a strawman, either...
since you like dictionaries:
'Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted'
sounds like a typical SYSTEM-J post. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
Not even that extreme. It's a matter of degree or emphasis.
Don't put words in my mouth, that's not what I'm saying at all.
Also you can't go back to a primitive civilization. Hippies tried it in the 60s and then they started getting pissed when their wives were ing other men and they were hungry all the time. But certainly primitive civilizations have things to teach us as far as the practical, ecological, and spiritual value of tradition, myth, and conservation. |
I did'nt put words into your mouth, I speculated/reasoned a potential situation where your belief could work, because it would not work in modern society at all. Just like we cant go backwards in civilization, we also cant impose your ideals or beliefs into modern society and civlization, without changing the way society and civilization works. This is my point. So at the end of the day your belief remains an ideal without any realistic viable solution. And what I speculated would be a solution, because it would strip away the need for the current form of education, and it would do away with the treadmill everyone is on, opening them up to self realization and other means of survival.
Why do you think all these great philosophers and thinkers were around well before technology became prominent part of civilization? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
It's not exactly a strawman, either... |
Begrudgingly replacing "only" with "basically" doesn't suddenly make you appear fair. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Begrudgingly replacing "only" with "basically" doesn't suddenly make you appear fair. |
I said that only regarding my own experience.
| quote: | The only valuable part of my educational experience was the fact that I was surrounded by interesting people who I could relate to on a deeper level.
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I then followed up with :
| quote: | | academic education IS valuable, but only because it is another type of life experience. |
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| quote: | No no no! You're mis-characterizing my position. I believe that academic education is very important and has definitely been incredibly important in my life. The reason, though, that I cited was not about the techniques learned but the life lessons learned in the process and developing/catalyzing the faculty to ask the important questions about life that lead to understanding.
Certainly I agree with you (and woscar who said this earlier) that everyone can reach this understanding their own way, and some people are inclined to reach this understanding through science and knowledge learned through an academic setting. More power to those people. |
If you're going to nitpick, do a better job.
since you like dictionaries:
'STRAWMAN ARGUMENT: Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted'
sounds like a typical SYSTEM-J post... |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
I said that only regarding my own experience. |
You might have to backtrack on that "only" as well:
"academic education IS valuable, but only because it is another type of life experience."
Incidentally: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/straw+man
"a fabricated or conveniently weak or innocuous person, object, matter, etc., used as a seeming adversary or argument" |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You might have to backtrack on that "only" as well:
"academic education IS valuable, but only because it is another type of life experience."
Incidentally: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/straw+man
"a fabricated or conveniently weak or innocuous person, object, matter, etc., used as a seeming adversary or argument" |
? how is having a relationship with other people not a life experience?
how can you tell me that my personal educational experience is fabricated?
what are you getting out of this discussion? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
? how is having a relationship with other people not a life experience? |
I doubt even you believe that question is relevant. You're not just talking about your own life experiences, although you may well be drawing sweeping generalisations from those experiences.
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
what are you getting out of this discussion? |
Practise. |
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| Sunsnail |
| practise is a verb bro |
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| woscar |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
a strawman view of education; |
Actually, I think it's more of a non sequitur.
"The system for educating is wrong, therefore education is bad. Except for mine, of course." |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
Actually, I think it's more of a non sequitur.
"The system for educating is wrong, therefore education is bad. Except for mine, of course." |
:conf:
you must be a terrible scientist if you invent all of your data like this. |
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