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Depression and intelligence (pg. 6)
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| Arbiter |
That's a difficult question to address because, in the first place, no satisfactory criteria exist to determine when someone has depression.
Based on presently available information, all I would be comfortable saying is that there are probably a wide variety of neurological phenomena which fall under the umbrella of what we now might call "depression." Even our naive and almost wholly subjective modern taxonomy has now moved beyond the idea of depression as some monolithic disorder. Intelligence likely correlates with some of these phenomena but not probably not all of them. Certainly, unintelligent people sometimes experience at least some of these phenomena. |
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| couch-potato |
I'd say that the belief in a intelligence/depression correlation is that we typically only know about intellectuals who were depressed, because their intelligence gave them fame. How many average-joe workers during the Industrial Revolution that were depressed do we know about? Not many people would care. The data becomes skewed. But Hemingway, Nietzsche, etc. suffered from depression & they are prime examples mentioned whenever this question arises. People link their depression with their intellect, which is a moot point because it could all happen to anybody.
Sorry for typos/lack of clarity, posting from my phone. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
The original meaning of mundane was earth. What's your point?
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My point is that for the sake of this discussion I am using that definiton because I believe that there is deeply rooted truth in the origins of human language.
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
Why bother going to school at all then? Why bother with any education? Why not live at home and never learn to read or do maths? Surely by your ridiculous definition, living within a community and experiencing 'relationships' would be the only 'true' education? |
So that I could get out of my childhood small town and meet other people who ask good questions or could teach me to ask good questions. Not to learn skills.
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
Intelligence is not the opposite of ignorance. To use a very specific definition, intelligence is the ability to work things out for one's self using the available evidence.
The opposite of ignorance is rote learning, which even the dumbest bastard can achieve with enough practice.
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I don't know where you are getting these definitions or why you think yours are better. I am using these words in the sense that Jiddu Krishnamurti uses them, because I think he's right on, and I'm only defining them to help clarify my own ideas, not to imply that there is only one definition of any of these words. |
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| igottaknow |
This thread makes Tracy McGrady very sad and in doing so very intelligent.
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| nefardec |
As I said earlier in the thread, I personally subscribe to a definition of intelligence in the original latin sense of the word 'intelligere', which means 'to understand'. So I use the two words 'understanding' and 'intelligence' more or less interchangeably. That said, I was not defining the word but rather making an argument about what understanding really means in a practical sense.
interesting things in those definitions you posted though.
'to accept as true; believe: I understand that you are trying to be truthful, but you are wrong. '
'to accept tolerantly or sympathetically:'
'a state of cooperative or mutually tolerant relations between people: '
'an agreement regulating joint activity or settling differences, often informal or preliminary in character:'
'the mental faculty resolving the sensory manifold into the transcendental unity of apperception.'
those all sound like acceptance to me... the last one in particular is very close to the way i use the word in this sort of discussion |
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| Sunsnail |
| forum "discussions" are "the" most worthless "things" ever |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by djhaziel
The present will always be the ultimate reality , why dwell in the past when it's already gone and does not exist anymore? , why dwell in the future when it's uncertain ? |
Seriously? :rolleyes:
Maybe because otherwise you sorta just flutter through life with out any real point? |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Seriously? :rolleyes:
Maybe because otherwise you sorta just flutter through life with out any real point? |
yeah, actually that's exactly the case. if you think your life has a point, you're delusional. doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
those all sound like acceptance to me... the last one in particular is very close to the way i use the word in this sort of discussion |
That last one is a definition of the noun form, and so cannot be how you used the word in the form "to understand".
EDIT: Although the reason I posted those links is to show that the primary definitions of "understand", particularly in a statement like "Understanding the world", revolve around comprehension, perception and interpretation, rather than acceptance, which is going to lead to a lot of crossed wires. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
That last one is a definition of the noun form, and so cannot be how you used the word in the form "to understand". |
i'm pretty sure i said 'understanding'.
LEARN 2 READ
either way, it's obvious that there are many definitions, and that you are stirring up tangential discussionsbecause you don't like the way I express myself.
carry on. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
i'm pretty sure i said 'understanding'.
LEARN 2 READ |
I read this:
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
the original meaning of 'intelligence' means ability to understand. people who understand are rarely confused or depressed. |
| quote: | either way, it's obvious that there are many definitions, and that you are stirring up tangential discussionsbecause you don't like the way I express myself.
carry on. |
See my edit. |
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