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Joris Voorn is on fire (pg. 10)
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| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Other than that, however, I pretty much fully agree with everything you just said. |
Just to clarify; I wasn't pointing out that either nef or J was any of the characteristics in my edit. I just had to add it because it's so often true that when it's not, like I believe in this case, it's sad that the problem with definitions s it up.
Good read. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
speaking of aril brikha...
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love that album - especially 'more human' and 'gres'. i think 'more human' masquerades misnamed as 'ex machina' on beatport though.
but.... groove la chord, say no more. |
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| couch-potato |
I agree with progressive house being a dumping bin for anything Beatport has difficulty in labeling.
Great read, chaps |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
part of the problem though is that people want to confuse others, because it helps them sell records, feel cooler, and/or fit into different niches. |
It's much cooler to associate yourself with Detroit and techno these days than anything progressive. Progressive = British, 90s, Sasha, Digweed, Renaissance, Global Underground, superclubs, superstar DJs. All that is very much out of fashion. Much cooler to name-check Basic Channel than Leftfield, much easier to pretend the same cycle of obnoxious trendsters, stupid ticket prices and DJ excesses isn't happening all over again with a different list of names. Indie blogs can't write about a dance record without mentioning "Chicago and Detroit", Resident Advisor can't mention prog without it being "bloated" and everyone cheers Villalobos when he releases a 35 minute wankathon. Because club culture's grown up now, hasn't it? |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It's much cooler to associate yourself with Detroit and techno these days than anything progressive. Progressive = British, 90s, Sasha, Digweed, Renaissance, Global Underground, superclubs, superstar DJs. All that is very much out of fashion. Much cooler to name-check Basic Channel than Leftfield, much easier to pretend the same cycle of obnoxious trendsters, stupid ticket prices and DJ excesses isn't happening all over again with a different list of names. Indie blogs can't write about a dance record without mentioning "Chicago and Detroit", Resident Advisor can't mention prog without it being "bloated" and everyone cheers Villalobos when he releases a 35 minute wankathon. Because club culture's grown up now, hasn't it? |
I think you just crossed the line, my friend. The impact Chicago and Detroit had on dance music far exceeds anything the late 90's British scene did and that is far from a personal opinion; it's fact. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| EDIT: How ing stupid can you be? |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
EDIT: How ing stupid can you be? |
Pshh, spare me. |
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| EddieZilker |
:rolleyes:
All good reads must come to an end. Thanks, nefardec and System-J. I honestly hope that your discussion gets a more developed thread of its own. It seems like it covers too much territory to be evolved in an organized way in one about a particular artist. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It's much cooler to associate yourself with Detroit and techno these days than anything progressive. |
that was exactly my point in calling Joris Voorn 'progressive'. people don't want to admit he is basically prog techno because cool people listen to detroit techno.
definitely influenced by detroit, but it's prog techno.
i'm pretty sure namedropping chicago and detroit has been going on in club culture since the 80s.
i'm not sure what you were intending to say with your post - were you trying to flame me or just vent? i ask because I completely agree with your frustration and critical sentiment about cyclical bloated scenism |
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| Kismet7 |
progressive structure > purist techno structure
on almost every level. without question.
open for debate... |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
progressive structure > purist techno structure
on almost every level. without question.
open for debate... |
there is no structure of that nature to speak of in purist techno, so of course you can say that. it's like saying the appleness of an apple is more appley than the appleness of an orange.
the 'structure' of purist techno is essentially limited to the bar. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
there is no structure of that nature to speak of in purist techno, so of course you can say that. it's like saying the appleness of an apple is more appley than the appleness of an orange |
right, it does'nt exist in name, I know you love semantics, but there is a structure to much of the 'purist techno', or at least a difference in structure to 'progressive' structured music. And if there wasn'nt, you would'nt be using the title 'purist techno' as a comparison to or argument against 'progressive' throughout this thread.
Maybe you should define 'purist techno', because you've been using it to share your gripes against 'progressive'. |
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