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Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" Rally - Interviews With Participants (pg. 11)
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
It's scary. People don't want to learn things or think about them critically. They want to be happy and comfortable at the cost of denying or ignoring anything that offends them or makes them squirm. |
Yep, and Beck knows this and is obviously incredibly skilled at exploiting it.
Critical thinking skills are sorely lacking in this country. |
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| hardcore trancer |
Thanks for your replay Clovis, so basically some Americans (Palin, Glenn Beck followers) do not like to do their own thinking and instead they will let others do their thinking for them.
I can see how this could become a dangerous situation down the road. These people are like robots and will do anything their leaders ask them to. I like your take on education as well and sadly your leaders dont seem to take education very seriously. |
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| EddieZilker |
| That's pretty obtuse. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| Since we're talking about Glenn Beck/Fox News I'm assuming you guys have already seen Jon Stewarts bit on the Muslim centre at Ground Zero and how Fox News is presenting the whole situation? |
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| EddieZilker |
| I've seen it. Hilarious. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Kevin, you and I havent yelled at eachother nowhere near enough for me to know all about you policies and beliefs. But this much i know, even though your right wing writings here make me want to pull my hair out and your belief in faux facts (reported by faux news) would make me want to slap you with something very hard (totally not a gay joke) if we were ever to meet in person (unless you bought me a beer first, then we would be bestest friends foreverest) this much i know. The people in power are not your people. The republican party is not your party. The republican party has go so far beyond conservative that its not even funny anymore. If it was still a party of small government, personal responsibility and sound economic policies then much less people would have problems with it today. But it is not a party of that anymore. Its a party of people like Sarah Palin, who believes she will see the christian end of days in her lifetime and is scared of witches; its the party of rand Paul, who believes that racial discrimination should be allowed and that social security and medicare should be put in the responsible hands of the completely unregulated private sector; and its a party of Sharon Angle, who thinks that social security and medicare should be abolished all together since they are what is making america spoiled and that women that were raped shoudnt be allowed to abort the rapists baby because whatever happened to them is gods plan. This are the faces of the new republican party today, these are the people you wish to be in power, these are the people that you believe will be able to make sound judgement in running a country. The people who want to tear down everything that was built up over the last hundred years or so. Thats on top of the what we had with the previous republican stint where the party of small government increased said government, tried to disassemble your much bellowed constitution and work on getting the government out of everything and everywhere except peoples bedrooms, because that is the one place that the government should belong in and set as much rules as possible.
Say youre a republican, defend republicans and vote republicans, but soner or later youre going to have to think about if the promise and legacy of the former party is where the party is now. If the promise of smaller government and responsibility isnt just something they say to appease the liberal wing of the republican party. Your party is slowly but surely moving as right as they can, how long do you think its going to take before youre considered a liberal? Think it cant happen? Who was the last judge to retire from the supreme court again? Appointed by a republican, considered a conservative when he took the seat, when he retired he was considered the liberal bastion of the court, and even though his replacement was appointed by someone you consider to be on the radial left (as if someone from the "radical" left could be elected in america at this point in time), she is more conservative than the other guy. |
I'm going to disagree with your assessment on this one. I think Kevin knows EXACTLY what he's supporting. He seems to have some business sense, and within the past few decades, the business sector made a deal with the devil in this country to get a majority (or at least close to one). They suckered in the Christian Right to supporting their ideals by siding with the Beck-types.
Personally, I think of myself as being fairly centrist (leaning left on social, right on economic, though farther left on socials than I lean right on economics). I bitch about both sides. Bush was a disaster. Obama/current Congress isn't helping us enough and some of their agenda is hurting us. Don't for a second think I'd take McCain/Palin over this, I just am disappointed that some of the legislation coming out isn't more centrist where it needs to be, but at the same time, this is FAR from a liberal administration. I don't want liberal or conservative policy. I want sensibility, and very little of that is coming from Washington lately.
BTW, if you think the economy is bad now because of what the government is doing...just wait until the Republicans take the House in November. NOTHING will get done for 2 years, at least. Gridlock may be great sometimes, but in times of economic crisis, there needs to be a plan. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
I'm going to disagree with your assessment on this one. I think Kevin knows EXACTLY what he's supporting. He seems to have some business sense, and within the past few decades, the business sector made a deal with the devil in this country to get a majority (or at least close to one). They suckered in the Christian Right to supporting their ideals by siding with the Beck-types. |
+1 There's a book, by Thomas Frank, that came out before the 2004 election which really goes into detail about how the neocons (Frank's term for non-religious conservatives) really played to conservative Christian ideology to the benefit of the neocons. It's called, What's the Matter with Kansas? An interesting read. |
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| osterzone |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
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The democrats currently in power are practically republicans. We've watered down every ing progressive bill that has come forward because of you s. The universal healthcare we got is a joke, a shadow of what it could have been thanks to the obstructionists in the senate. What we DO have are a bunch of democrats who have no idea how to pass anything due to a right wing noise machine that is scaring half the populace into submission. The biggest left wing majority in YEARS can barely get anything done.
But hey, it's working great. Beck is raking in millions and scaring the out of everyone, you've got a sizable amount of the country who thinks Obama is a muslim, anyone who dares come out in favor of a muslim cultural center in NYC might as well just send money to Osama Bin Laden...the list could go on.
8 ing years we put up with you s running everything INTO THE GROUND. By ALL accounts, our current president inherited the biggest ing mess of his GENERATION. And here he is trying to sort through this ing bull and even pass any smidgen of the CHANGE the electorate asked for and the right, with the backing of its biggest s and billionaires is going to successfully convince most of America this guy is a radical muslim socialist murderer who is coming to pull the plug on grandma. Well done gents. Disinform away!
It ing makes me sick. |
People like this are the reason why arguing politics online is pointless.
Since politics are completely subjective, you're never going to convince someone else to stand on your side for every issue. You guys are getting so ing worked up over something you cannot and will not be able to change.
Yet we have people on here like Clovis making blanket statements and claiming that 100% of what the GOP did during Bush's term was a failure. He's trying to preach on a soapbox...the same way some might view what Beck is doing. But in the eyes of Clovis, since it's his opinion, it's better than anyone elses. And those who disagree must be one of those GOP "s".
My point is proven. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
+1 There's a book, by Thomas Frank, that came out before the 2004 election which really goes into detail about how the neocons (Frank's term for non-religious conservatives) really played to conservative Christian ideology to the benefit of the neocons. It's called, What's the Matter with Kansas? An interesting read. |
I've read it....
That said, I disagree that all Right, non-Christian ideologues are neo-cons.
If you want to talk US political trends, etc., I feel fairly versed in the topic. I double majored in Government and American Studies at a top 20 university. I still read similar material even though I've been out of school for 8 years. I've read tons of things on both sides, and I appreciate material from both. I also grew up in a small town in western PA and now live in Manhattan, so I've obviously dealt with people on the far sides of both sides personally. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
I've read it.... |
Sweet. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by osterzone
Yet we have people on here like Clovis making blanket statements and claiming that 100% of what the GOP did during Bush's term was a failure. He's trying to preach on a soapbox...the same way some might view what Beck is doing. But in the eyes of Clovis, since it's his opinion, it's better than anyone elses. And those who disagree must be one of those GOP "s". |
Thats like saying everything the Nazis did was horrible. They did some legitimate things as the government of Germany for Germany, mainly improving infrastructure and such (the autobahn being the main thing). The only problem was the head of the party led the country into a two front war and basically led it to ruin. |
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