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Chiropractor - Scam or Legit? (pg. 5)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
The implication that nurses should only accept one kind of healing. Our job isn't to push specific interventions onto people, our job is to facilitate wellness however each person defines it. That requires being, at the very least, accepting of alternate forms of healing.
Your mom's a ing nurse - exactly. She SHOULD embrace "crap" like reiki - because if she encounters patients who feel it provides them with quality of life, it's your mom's job to help them with that. :p |
im not talking about her role as a nurse, i dont give two s about her patients. however i do care if she says things to me that are retarded, especially given her status as a healthcare professional. nobody likes to see their mum look a fool. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Did get the crap hippy name. |
I always did peg you for a 'Moonbeam'. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
especially given her status as a healthcare professional. |
What do you mean by this? It's obvious that you think a health care professional's job is best done by pushing Western Medicine onto everybody, when in fact, it's not. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
It's obvious that you think a health care professional's job is to push Western Medicine onto everybody, when in fact, it's not. |
Actually, Jenny, I've got to side with Paul here, and I loathe the concept of "Western Medicine". It's medicine, full stop, regardless of its origin. Unless it doesn't work or is completely unfounded... then it's just a waste of time - once again, regardless of its origin.
I don't care if crystals, unicorns, homoeopathy, reiki rockets, and gnomes help patients placebo their way to an apparently healthy life. The power of thought can only go so far. Unless there are controlled experiments showing that something works (bonus points if you know why it works and can experiment on this as well), it's just humbug... and it's not just the innocuous bollocketry that may just convince someone to live a wacky lifestyle because she needs to be prepared to align her body cells with the Ancient Brainwaves of Mu Mu.
People's lives are at stake here.
| quote: | | quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
My mum keeps crystals in every room of her house. Different crystals for different purposes, you know? And you have to 'cleanse' them every once in a while too. Otherwise, they don't do their ing job properly.
Not even joking :wtf:
There are 5 or 6 just in her car :stongue: |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
mum's not quite that bad but she entertains some ing bull ideas. i remember we had a big fight when she brought up the topic of reiki healing a while back. she's a ing nurse ffs :conf: :mad: |
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Ooooh, mothers... mine isn't any different :stongue: |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
People's lives are at stake here.
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And each person is the expert of their own life. If they feel they want crystals or reiki or whatever the , then it's the health care professional's job to incorporate that into their care. It's unethical to not provide patients with the kind of health care they want. Of course we're guided by principles of beneficence and non-maleficence, but that doesn't mean that Western medicine is the ONLY kind of healing.
Furthermore, if a patient wants to "risk their life" by choosing something other than Western medicine, that's fully their right to do so. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
Of course we're guided by principles of beneficence and non-maleficence, but that doesn't mean that Western medicine is the ONLY kind of healing. |
But you know way more about health than the average person and can make a well informed decision. Sometimes you know that, if homoeopathy were true, all the water in the world would so abrasive as to make life impossible, all because Fledz touched it.
If a patient of yours refuses to take "Western" medicine and you know it's going to kill them, shouldn't you decline? Or are you just saying you're going to give them antibiotics and ignore the crystals on all four corners of the room? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
This has been discussed at length before, but it is simply NOT a nurse's job to save somebody's life, but to improve the standards of the life their patients still have. Should this involve alternative medicines, absolutely regardless of what the scientific community has to say about them, so be it, so long as the patient truly believes their incorporation will improve or sustain circumstances.
When you start to hold healthcare professionals personally responsible for saving people's lives, you run into an extremely slippery slope of counter-production. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
If a patient of yours refuses to take "Western" medicine and you know it's going to kill them, shouldn't you decline? Or are you just saying you're going to give them antibiotics and ignore the crystals on all four corners of the room? |
No, that's not my job. We are also guided by the principle of autonomy. It is NEVER our job to force people to take treatments they don't want to take.
In those situations my job is to help THEM make an informed decision. Teach the risks and the benefits of their choice, and then leave it up to them. It's a fundamental human right to be able to do so. How would you feel if every time you crossed the street someone ran up to you and prevented you from doing so without holding their hand - because you're risking getting hit by a car? You wouldn't like it, because you're perfectly capable of taking the risk by yourself. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
But you know way more about health than the average person . |
Exactly. Which means I understand that each person defines health/wellness/illness/quality of life different from the next. Which means that there is no one perfect way to achieve it. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| In the real world (as opposed to certain doctor shows) medical professionals are required to respect the right of their patients to be idiots. :p |
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| Banora |
| I'm actually kind of jealous. I wish I had a hippy mother. |
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