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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Three words: Bobby West Virginia. You cannot be buying into this guy. He was trolling before anyone had even replied, he hasn't responded like any real amateur producer would at any point, and he couldn't go into parodic Internet mode quick enough. |
Not to mention some small inconsistencies in the back-ground, like Mother's bio referring to a dead-linked sound-click page and her last release being back in 2002. I suspect if I wanted that sort of back-ground I'd want there to be some web-presence which was verifiable pertaining to someone who stood relatively little chance of finding out about a troll; or who would care less if he or she did.
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...8&pagenumber=20
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Closed Circle is actually a bit of a clever name in that it pertains to two distinctly separate ideas: 1) regarding Fourier Theory and acoustic mathematics and 2) an ideological argument which is unfalsifiable under the rules of its assumed logic. Both of these ideas pertain, somewhat ironically, to the thread starter but I'm imagining you, M4B, know a little more about the closed circle series relevant in Fourier Theory.
"Denial is the first admission" is a good example of a closed circle argument. If I accuse you of being a meth-head but you reply that you don't use meth, such an argument submits that, because of your denial, you're actually affirming that you're a much worse meth user than I previously suspected. |
The name, closedcircle, would also be a bit of a tell. It's a tactic he's been using in his arguments when everyone tells him that he sucks. His reply is typified in Seandroid's quasi-Meme pic:
| quote: | Originally posted by Seandroid
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Everyone's insistence that he's inept is proof of his musical superiority. There's additional inconsistencies, like the numerous symptoms presented, ranging from psychosis to pathological narcissism with hues of megalomania thrown in just to make sure it's got that over-the-top flavor. One would be hard pressed to find such a constellation presenting in the run-of-the-mill psych-wards.
The pattern of trolling is there and I'm not discounting your thesis. If I'm getting sucked into it, it's trying to ascertain what the truth to it is.
I see your Bobby West Virginia and raise you W_Ashley. ;) |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| he does smoke meth so I wouldn't extrapolate too much from small behavioural shifts. I myself have 3 settings. Sleep , feeling dandy , turbogize. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
it occurred to me recently that it might come across a little gay. |
ing classic. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Just not sure about that - the physics of trolling dictate that it should be least amount of energy put in to create as a large a possible response. So one or two ambiguous sentences that bait several pages of flame induced rant is the goal. |
This thread's racking up the replies and doesn't look like dying down any time soon, so I'd say he's getting bang for his buck. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
This thread's racking up the replies and doesn't look like dying down any time soon, so I'd say he's getting bang for his buck. |
not really, because we're discussing the subject matter of trolling as a whole, not him. And once you're busted, it's over. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
not really, because we're discussing the subject matter of trolling as a whole, not him. And once you're busted, it's over. |
Before I posted in this thread, exactly one person had mentioned the T-word, and that was to doubt that the guy was one. He was taking everyone for a ride. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Before I posted in this thread, exactly one person had mentioned the T-word, and that was to doubt that the guy was one. He was taking everyone for a ride. |
You're right about the T word, but I'm not sure from glancing through the thread that anyone took it remotely seriously past the first page or so, whether a Troll or Genuine. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| To be fair, you called it a "wind up", but plenty of people were getting wound up, or at least bothering to extensively psycho-analyse a ludicrous online persona. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
To be fair, you called it a "wind up", but plenty of people were getting wound up, or at least bothering to extensively psycho-analyse a ludicrous online persona. |
I'll admit, I forwarded his PM to Swamper and other mods and I was definitely not amused by it. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
To be fair, you called it a "wind up", but plenty of people were getting wound up, or at least bothering to extensively psycho-analyse a ludicrous online persona. |
True, Lol.
I do however think that PM's threatening to baseball bat people once he's sniffed out their IP addresses would be enough to make some it take slightly seriously. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
ing classic. |
I had a swig of hot coffee in my mouth the second I came to that post and it was such a knee jerk reaction to clench my lips shut so it didn't fire out of my mouth and sure enough it shot straight up my nose. It was a small gulp luckily but the second I saw the word "recently" there was no stopping it.
Also for the record (to everyone not just DJ Rann) there is no single worse ROA or drug for your brain than to smoke meth. Many people don't understand its about 1000 times more destructive to your brain than crack is. I served 2 years in prison when I was younger because I was a chemist in a drug lab and am definitely not proud of it but learned a lot about drugs during that time of my life (and not in prison but before that majoring in chemistry and reading organic chem books one after another along with what was once known as "rhodium" on the internet which for the most part has dissappeared)
People think its the impurities in meth that makes it so dangerous. Either the iodine or red phosphorous vapors left as impurities that would be similar to pouring caustic bromine on tobacco and literally smoking it. Or the lithium metal deposits that contaminate in a birch reduction with ammonia. As dangerous as these impurities are (I don't say lye because its actually easy for most amateur chemists to remove the lye, too easy in fact) they are no wear near as bad as the impact the meth itself has via smoking it.
First, meth released dopamine, so does alcohol, but meth releases a broken damns equivalent of dopamine, and this is merely by oral administration.
Meth is the only drug that triggers such a high release of dopamine along with adrenaline aka epinephrine or norepinephrine aka noradrenaline. But, my points is when you smoke it, the release of dopamine is incomparable to any other drug that is a nonamphetamine. No other single drug is capable of triggering such a large release.
What the avg person doesn't realize, is dopamine itself is more harmful on the brain than iodine, red phosphorous, or lithium metal.
Dopamine itself is more caustic/corrosive than ammonia. When triggered by smoking meth, it first attacks brain tissue killing it off in various specific regions of the brain. It then attacks blood vessels by the top of spine which is why you see so many meth addicts twitching. Along with those blood vessels nerves are killed off which results in a "gated" nerve response in the brain. Even short term smoking of meth can quickly lead to methamphetamine psychosis, which I had to live with for 3 years of my life even after I stopped it myself.
It is worse than anyone can possibly imagine and extremely difficult to deal with, and largely the reason I got into psychology because not only did I have to deal with it for 3 years sober, but 2 of those years were behind the wall around inmates who didn't take kindly to an educated middle class white kid from the burbs who was very much a social retard at the time, along with the intense paranoia/depression/fear that I lived with everyday.
I haven't touched that in 10 years and although I commonly joke about drugs on this forum like coke or pot, I rarely do them anymore and don't consider meth to even be a drug. Its a poison with a history I won't get into. Just trust me that when you ever hear someone is smoking meth, that person is not really "that person". I was a completely different person on that and just the way he talks in the videos you can see its already effecting his brain.
Pot makes you slow but there are other signs that lead me to believe that is not the effects of pot. Slow speech, slurring even when sober, trouble formulating thoughts, repositioning the body often, excess local motor control function when sober, all symptoms of meth abuse. He hides it well although the reality is many meth users use sedatives when they're not on meth.
And another main symptom of meth abuse is delusions of grandiosity, altered ego and personality "splitting" which sometimes leads to multiple personality disorder among many other things, along with rage and hostility issues.
I'm not joking a lot of people on this forum know I have issues, for the most part I consider myself normal, but even today I have issues with hostility that I blame on my history with meth. I use to have truckloads of self control, wit, patience with people, but its a price I have to pay today for being naive in younger years.
Anyway my point is meth use/abuse in any form is serious. You will find very few people actually just use it recreationally. Its said 96% of people who use it more than once will develop some sort of addiction to it in someway, studies have been done on this and its a serious ing "drug". I've done every drug there is to do in this world, acid, k, mdma, 2-ce, mescaline, coke, crack, heroin, synthetic opiates, and there is no drug as harmful to the brain as meth.
I just wanted to state my opinion on this topic I'm not even responding to the OP but when you meet anyone on meth, its much better to have an attitude of empathy even if you don't want to. It changes the brain so profoundly you're not even talking to what you think is "them", your talking to a very altered person.
(also I know this is a lot of information but its a piece of history that is important to me, and it may be important for others to know who have taken I've said in the past overly personal, I am in fact a recovering methhead/drug chemist with 10 years clean, and I made many other drugs besides meth, but I've had to do a lot of struggling in my life to get where I am today believe it or not). |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
I had a swig of hot coffee in my mouth the second I came to that post and it was such a knee jerk reaction to clench my lips shut so it didn't fire out of my mouth and sure enough it shot straight up my nose. It was a small gulp luckily but the second I saw the word "recently" there was no stopping it.
Also for the record (to everyone not just DJ Rann) there is no single worse ROA or drug for your brain than to smoke meth. Many people don't understand its about 1000 times more destructive to your brain than crack is. I served 2 years in prison when I was younger because I was a chemist in a drug lab and am definitely not proud of it but learned a lot about drugs during that time of my life.
People think its the impurities in meth that makes it so dangerous. Either the iodine or red phosphorous vapors left as impurities that would be similar to pouring caustic bromine on tobacco and literally smoking it. Or the lithium metal deposits that contaminate in a birch reduction with ammonia. As dangerous as these impurities are (I don't say lye because its actually easy for most amateur chemists to remove the lye, too easy in fact) they are no wear near as bad as the impact the meth itself has via smoking it.
First, meth released dopamine, so does alcohol, but meth releases a broken damns equivalent of dopamine, and this is merely by oral administration.
Meth is the only drug that triggers such a high release of dopamine along with adrenaline aka epinephrine or norepinephrine aka noradrenaline. But, my points is when you smoke it, the release of dopamine is incomparable to any other drug that is a nonamphetamine. No other single drug is capable of triggering such a large release.
What the avg person doesn't realize, is dopamine itself is more harmful on the brain than iodine, red phosphorous, or lithium metal.
Dopamine itself is more caustic/corrosive than ammonia. When triggered by smoking meth, it first attacks brain tissue killing it off in various specific regions of the brain. It then attacks blood vessels by the top of spine which is why you see so many meth addicts twitching. Along with those blood vessels nerves are killed off which results in a "gated" nerve response in the brain. Even short term smoking of meth can quickly lead to methamphetamine psychosis, which I had to live with for 3 years of my life even after I stopped it myself.
It is worse than anyone can possibly imagine and extremely difficult to deal with, and largely the reason I got into psychology because not only did I have to deal with it for 3 years sober, but 2 of those years were behind the wall around inmates who didn't take kindly to an educated middle class white kid from the burbs who was very much a social retard at the time, along with the intense paranoia/depression/fear that I lived with everyday.
I haven't touched that in 10 years and although I commonly joke about drugs on this forum like coke or pot, I rarely do them anymore and don't consider meth to even be a drug. Its a poison with a history I won't get into. Just trust me that when you ever hear someone is smoking meth, that person is not really "that person". I was a completely different person on that and just the way he talks in the videos you can see its already effecting his brain.
Pot makes you slow but there are other signs that lead me to believe that is not the effects of pot. Slow speech, slurring even when sober, trouble formulating thoughts, repositioning the body often, excess local motor control function when sober, all symptoms of meth abuse. He hides it well although the reality is many meth users use sedatives when they're not on meth.
And another main symptom of meth abuse is delusions of grandiosity, altered ego and personality "splitting" which sometimes leads to multiple personality disorder among many other things, along with rage and hostility issues.
I'm not joking a lot of people on this forum know I have issues, for the most part I consider myself normal, but even today I have issues with hostility that I blame on my history with meth. I use to have truckloads of self control, wit, patience with people, but its a price I have to pay today for being naive in younger years.
Anyway my point is meth use/abuse in any form is serious. You will find very few people actually just use it recreationally. Its said 96% of people who use it more than once will develop some sort of addiction to it in someway, studies have been done on this and its a serious ing "drug". I've done every drug there is to do in this world, acid, k, mdma, 2-ce, mescaline, coke, crack, heroin, synthetic opiates, and there is no drug as harmful to the brain as meth.
I just wanted to state my opinion on this topic I'm not even responding to the OP but when you meet anyone on meth, its much better to have an attitude of empathy even if you don't want to. It changes the brain so profoundly you're not even talking to what you think is "them", your talking to a very altered person.
(also I know this is a lot of information but its a piece of history that is important to me, and it may be important for others to know who have taken I've said in the past overly personal, I am in fact a recovering methhead/drug chemist with 10 years clean, and I made many other drugs besides meth, but I've had to do a lot of struggling in my life to get where I am today believe it or not). |
This is some nice insight that supports a lot of why I don't think this guy is a troll. |
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