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Serious question about the future of EDM production (pg. 11)
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| jetflagTA |
| quote: | Originally posted by arskinetica
It's all in how you use the tools.
Even someone with a Protools rig costing thousands of dollars can make crap.
I'd be happy to share what I am working on, and would love to know what works, and what doesn't so I can get better. |
Of course, it's true. Software or hardware aren't warranty for quality music. But what makes these people ridiculous, is their attitude of a super-star.
Seems to me that they buy all that stuff just to think they're actually making something when they didn't make a cause no one knows or cares about them. This shows how great, super talanted they are...LOL! |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
He's an amazing songwriter, no argument there, but as a producer he is definitely not the kind of person you should be pointing to as a benchmark to compare other people to.
haha god you know exactly how to get people around here fuming, let's not talk about Blueman again for the sake of all our sanity |
Upgrade your standards a little bit.
He's not even close to amazing.
You sound like an Anjuna fanboy, who doesn't know about trance and just gobbles up anything that Armada throws out there.
Ever listen to older stuff, like Chicane(not the new garbage) or Tiesto(OLDER )?
I listen to modern trance now and it just sounds musically crippled. Everything is so cliched its embarrassing. I would not even mind stuff that was average if it was somewhat adventurous. |
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| arskinetica |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
It happens as you go along. Certain elements that were once imitation or simply rote procedure acquire a signature individuality. There are artists who's own "voice" is easily heard in whatever genre they're producing in. |
That's what I'm learning to do, find my own voice.
I must learn to just let things flow, and learn from people like the those on this forum. I hope you can learn from me as well. :-)
One thing is I've learned a lot about how synthesizer patches can be created in software, and I'm even starting to delve into the old ROMpler I use as a controller. |
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| arskinetica |
| quote: | Originally posted by jetflagTA
Of course, it's true. Software or hardware aren't warranty for quality music. But what makes these people ridiculous, is their attitude of a super-star.
Seems to me that they buy all that stuff just to think they're actually making something when they didn't make a cause no one knows or cares about them. This shows how great, super talanted they are...LOL! |
It may be possible that it is insecurity, but I also think that people read and see pro DJs and producers with expensive rigs and think that is what made them successful, so they focus more on the gear than on the music.
With anything creative, there is no one right approach.
I think you do need to be confident in your ability to create, but yes, it is very easy to fall into the superstar attitude. I confess that I have done it on occassion. |
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| arskinetica |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
Upgrade your standards a little bit.
He's not even close to amazing.
You sound like an Anjuna fanboy, who doesn't know about trance and just gobbles up anything that Armada throws out there.
Ever listen to older stuff, like Chicane(not the new garbage) or Tiesto(OLDER )?
I listen to modern trance now and it just sounds musically crippled. Everything is so cliched its embarrassing. I would not even mind stuff that was average if it was somewhat adventurous. |
I listened to BT's debut album "Ima" recently, found an Ian Van Dahl album at a record store which sells new and used (yes, indie stores still exist) and bought some Tiesto. Seems that progressive house is getting all the buzz these days.
There seems to be a lot of trance influence in prog. house. |
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| arskinetica |
Dude, thanks.
One of the best pieces of advice I have received.
I love all sorts of music, and there are things I love about house, things I love about trance, as well as other genres which aren't even electronic.
Hell, it's more fun to have one song be hyper, and the next be slow and bassy. |
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| Clearly Not JBJ |
It seems like I see two extremes with newbie producers.
Either they want to produce something quite specific, like "I want to make music like Armin / Deadmau5 / Eric Prydz!" And go straight into finding out how to copy.
Or they have no real idea about genre conventions yet, or come from some totally different background like metal or something, so they just make whatever they feel, and come up with stuff that's really unusual, if amateurish.
The second kind are usually more interesting to listen to.
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| Raphie |
Just out of curiousity? who are you? what are your credentials?
and how can u decide for others what they do or don't do with their gear and like or don't like?
Most people here don't DJ they produce, so they will never appear in DJ Mag 100.
| quote: | Originally posted by jetflagTA
Of course, it's true. Software or hardware aren't warranty for quality music. But what makes these people ridiculous, is their attitude of a super-star.
Seems to me that they buy all that stuff just to think they're actually making something when they didn't make a cause no one knows or cares about them. This shows how great, super talanted they are...LOL! |
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| arskinetica |
| Deadmau5 isn't a DJ, and neither is Infected Mushroom and they're on there. |
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| arskinetica |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clearly Not JBJ
It seems like I see two extremes with newbie producers.
Either they want to produce something quite specific, like "I want to make music like Armin / Deadmau5 / Eric Prydz!" And go straight into finding out how to copy.
Or they have no real idea about genre conventions yet, or come from some totally different background like metal or something, so they just make whatever they feel, and come up with stuff that's really unusual, if amateurish.
The second kind are usually more interesting to listen to.
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I agree with you there. I think it's important to learn about a genre and take it and run with it. :-) However, as stated earlier, genres are constantly evolving. Does the artist evolve the genre, or is it the other way around?
I'll have to post some of what I am working on so I can get feedback. I want to sound as good as I can. |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
You sound like an Anjuna fanboy, who doesn't know about trance and just gobbles up anything that Armada throws out there. |
I've covered this before, I don't listen to a lot of EDM any more. I used to, quite a bit. Tiesto and Chicane were both artists I liked, actually if I remember correctly Parade of the Athletes was what really got me into EDM. Worked my way through Armin, Corsten, BT, Deadmau5, FSOL.. I wasn't very impressed by a lot of it though and preferred a lot of the other electronica I found through playing a lot of rhythm games. Vospi, Benn Jordan, Brisk & Trixxy, SGX, even DJ Sharpnel was my favorite artist for some months. Weird japanese speedcore and breaks and whatnot. That or the other end of the spectrum, I really liked Global Communications and Boards of Canada. It was a nice break between 200 BPM speedcore anthems, haha
Point is I listened to a very wide variety of electronic music before finding uplifting trance, and something just clicked. I liked how overly "epic" the music attempted to be, though I agree with you, 99% of it is instantly forgettable drivel. Which is why I like Andy Blueman. Like the guy or not, he's one of the only people in uplifting trance who's instantly recognizable when you listen to his music. And I think he has a better ear for melodic songwriting than most, which is what I try to focus on in anything I write. So I admire that.
I wouldn't call myself an Anjuna fanboy because I really don't keep up with uplifting trance anymore, at all. I've become bored of it like everyone else, except I still think as a genre it has plenty of potential. Maybe I'm deluded but I don't really care, I like what I like and it's what I'm good at producing so I'm stuck either way.
Nowadays I more or less listen to space rock and folk music. Or just downright weird like Primus or Deerhoof. Either way I'm certainly not a stereotypical Anjuna fanboy who wets himself every time they release a track with a 3 minute breakdown. I just like Andy Blueman, I don't know why that has to have so many other negatives attached to it.
anyway, what were we talking about again? |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
Michael Cassette is doing this in Progressive House today with his 80's influenced sound and his tracks are immediately recognizable when you hear them. |
You will of course admit that his remix of Crocketts Theme is the largest pile of wank ever.
'strap on teh kick and the reverb mate'
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