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Serious question about the future of EDM production (pg. 5)
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by meriter
Hey man I appreciate it but don't worry about me I have absolutely no money to begin with so I can't waste it. :P |
The USA seems like a harsh place to be moneywise, from this side of the pond. In the UK we have a much more generous welfare state which I see some Americans disliking, refering to it as European Socialism, but what the critics forget is places like Germany export more than the US, despite the social model! I'm not a socialist, but I think the American way can be overly harsh.
Also I don't know if this is true but we are told that Americans work work work and take few holidays, but to me this is a sensless life - whats the point of it all, when life in the end is a series of memories and although I work hard, home life is very important.
Hows about that for some off - topic turd! |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
Yeah, don't believe everything you read or hear or "have been told". |
One of my best mates brother moved to NY about 20 years ago and he is a workaholic and said thats why he loves the place.
On TV here we generaly get this message that Americans live to work, but don't worry, I realise stereotypes can be wide of the mark.
I know another Brit who runs a cafe in Florida and he says it's impossible to find good workers, so wtf, who knows:crazy:
I'm really into this whoe debate about China v's America. I've seen a number of debates on UK TV about this.
My own view is you will sh1t all over China for one simple reason; innate creativity.
I could be stereotyping here (again:whip: ), but Chinese people to me seem to mlearn stuff parrot fashion almost like robots, but this seems to be at odds with the needs of a modern flourashing economy that thrives on inventiveness and individualism.
All the big online platforms were born in America.
You only have to compare Chineese and Indian movies to American ones to see a startling difference when it comes to inventivness. |
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| Mad for Brad |
Americans are so damn lazy. I think you are referring back to America in the 50s. Now , it is just a mass of stupid fat people.
pretty sure inventiveness is not a word or if it is , it should not be used.
ingenuity
And Americans have a huge head start in making films but I would say most films and directors that stand out lately are definitely not American. |
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| pozz |
@meriter - move to Oregon. I lived there for a few years before the green card got revoked. it's oceanside and the people are relaxed. even Portland is a very calm city.
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
music sounds overly mixed, stale and bland mostly |
has anyone heard this year's Black Dog and Robert Babicz albums? they sound terrible. the producers have all the gear you like, and i remember Babicz saying in an interview he has a guys who tweaks the hardware before he uses it, but it sounds cheap. just before listening to them i listened to the Michael Stearns 1985 album (released in '81 on vinyl) 'Planetary Unfolding', and it shoots way over for quality. end-to-end listening it has the same openness, a similar warmth, and a worse mixdown than the above two. still, listening to Babicz or Black Dog bores the tears out of me compared to Stearns, or even compared to their old productions.
newer productions (lotsa ambient stuff is getting into this trend) that emulate the old sound/use analogue gear stand out from the old stuff in one way: they are much more dynamic. there's more headroom in the old stuff, but it still sounds crisper than the overly dynamic, attack-ful productions i've been hearing these days.
it seems like all the qualities that are important for tracks, things like warmth, dynamics, & openness, take the predominant role in the production process. music is suffering tho. even the reviews talk about extraneous references to other artists to describe the sounds, or categorize the samples, or describe it as "warm" or "open". whatever all this focus on production has given, it's not quality. |
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| Clearly Not JBJ |
Analog recording is not "more dynamic" by nature.
If people abuse digital recording, that is their own fault, but as far as the nature of the medium goes, digital is less limited than analog with respect to dynamics, especially once you get into higher bit rates. I'm pretty sure what you're talking about is a case of user abuse.
Digital makes it easier to squeeze every last bit of loudness into a track while coming just short of clipping, so people often do. But it's not the nature of the medium that forces them to do this. It's their own (stupid) preference. |
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| Raphie |
Agreed! I don't think an analoque desk is better than mixing directly ITB (or stay in ITB box if you only have VSTi's)
But putting your finished recording through an analogue chain before you limit ITB, will, depending on the components and engineer, take your track to a level where VST compressors and EQ will not be able to take you
| quote: | Originally posted by Clearly Not JBJ
Analog recording is not "more dynamic" by nature.
If people abuse digital recording, that is their own fault, but as far as the nature of the medium goes, digital is less limited than analog with respect to dynamics, especially once you get into higher bit rates. I'm pretty sure what you're talking about is a case of user abuse.
Digital makes it easier to squeeze every last bit of loudness into a track while coming just short of clipping, so people often do. But it's not the nature of the medium that forces them to do this. It's their own (stupid) preference. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
Not sure what you're on about? what does songwriting has to do with mixing skills and gear?
elaborate on your point? remember, this discussion is not about the carpenter, but the quality of nails and hammer.
It's so easy to make this a "what a waste of gear, for such a lack of talent" issue. Because that's not what this topic is about. |
What does gear and mixing skills have to do with a good? Very littLe. VERY VERY VERY VERY LITTLE. SO LITTLE IN FACT YOU DON'T EVEN NEED. ACTUALLY WE COULD DO AWAY WITH AND AND WE WOULD STILL BE FINE. ACTUALLY COULD GO TOO AND WE WOULD BE FINE.
THIS IS TA, WHEN DOES A TOPIC EVER STAY ON TOPIC? HAS ANYONE SEEN THE NEW OFFICE? |
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| ken_lee |
| im watching mad men season 3 atm. like it. just finished wire season 2, didnt like it season 1 was much better. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clearly Not JBJ
Analog recording is not "more dynamic" by nature.
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lol um ya it is - by nature. |
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| Clearly Not JBJ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
lol um ya it is - by nature. |
How?
What is the dynamic range of analog tape or vinyl?
What is the dynamic range of digital at high bit rate?
See the difference? |
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| Mad for Brad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clearly Not JBJ
How?
What is the dynamic range of analog tape or vinyl?
What is the dynamic range of digital at high bit rate?
See the difference? |
technically what ever you want it to be so infinity, I suppose in practice in doesn't quite work out that way. But that is merely a deficiency of the medium and not the actual concept. But to only talk about dynamic range while avoiding the other component of frequency is kind of pointless. Digital will have incremental steps while analog, despite the headroom being smaller in practice technically has a dynamic range of infinity as there are infinite nodes between what might seem like a more limited medium.
You start off analog , and you end up analog. |
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| Clearly Not JBJ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
technically what ever you want it to be so infinity, I suppose in practice in doesn't quite work out that way. But that is merely a deficiency of the medium and not the actual concept. |
Yes, and in the real world we record our music on media, not on concepts.
:p |
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