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Canadian Federal Elections 2011 - Official Thread (pg. 20)
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| Silky Johnson |
| Well that's why abortions should be free. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fisco
Honestly, I think its probably a combination of both. Some people are just bad people, plan and simple. Others are more prone to develop into bad people because of the environment they live in. Social programs and community support programs I'm sure would help but i think the best solution would be a public beating and yelling from the mothers would work best in turning them around. |
Totally agree with the first part. Hah at the 2nd.
Although I will add I was disciplined as a kid and I turned out ok I'd say. |
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| jester |
Harper could always try and buy a few Dassault nEUROn. They are like 25 million euros each. They are unmanned, dual-bay bombs and can also carry other weapons. Plus it can travel at 0.8 mach.
It might save some money, but it is half as fast as the F35. Plus it probably can only do a quarter of the distance. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
I have to ask those who would vote NDP and to a lessor extent Liberals a serious question.
Where do you think money comes from?
How do you think a nation's wealth is created?
Are public sector jobs ultimately good for the economy or bad?
Answer these seriously. |
You know, I voted conservos last time, but not this time. Good questions, but they have nothing to do with either party.
Where did the conservatives get the money they wasted on The G20 summit? Sure, $1billion is mall on a federal government level, but wasting it, while beating down your own citizens?
Jay, you have always advocated smaller government, and less police intervention. But the tories have done nothing to bolster that view.
I voted for them last time because I wanted smaller government, and less spending. They have done anything but. Plus, with the rules they want to implement on spying on Canadians through the internet, I just cannot support such a regime that is trying to grow its powers on surveillance against it's very people.
Innovation creates wealth. That wealth is a product of citizens being free to engage in activities they see best. By, working together. By being able to engage the system, and pull out resources to support their endeavors.
The conservatives have not empowered the people in any way, shape or form. They have limited access to our senior leaders. They have attempted to limit our access to information requests, and they have spent like drunken liberals (wasted resources). They have no idea of how to work WITH or FOR the people. They want us to work for them.
I'm sick of it. I have voted conservative at every level of government, every chance I got, and now, I have only my self to blame for the problems facing our country. |
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| GGM |
| I've voted Conservative in the past here and there as well. But I don't care if they'd be the best for the economy or they will end the deficit quicker than the other parties anymore. It comes down to the fact that we have a political system that makes progress somewhat hard to make. The damage that Harper could do (limiting human rights, reducing taxes so there isn't enough public funding, selling out to the US the list goes on and on) with 4 years of a majority could potentially take many years to undo, if even possible at all. In that sense I don't really care if economically we do 20% worse or taxes are higher because for the long term health of the country someone else, anyone else needs to be in power. |
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| jester |
| quote: | | It’s time Canadians put NDP Leader Jack Layton “under the microscope,” Michael Ignatieff declared Thursday, as the beleaguered Liberal Leader campaigned across Quebec in a last-minute bid to arrest the relentless decline in his party’s fortunes. |
(Courtesy of The Globe and Mail)
:haha: Iggy stfu and leave the Liberals. You do not fit with that party and you never will. Please leave. |
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| jester |
5-10% of taxes will go towards that. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shaya007
are you comin'? |
Yes |
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| smuncky |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
You know, I voted conservos last time, but not this time. Good questions, but they have nothing to do with either party.
Where did the conservatives get the money they wasted on The G20 summit? Sure, $1billion is mall on a federal government level, but wasting it, while beating down your own citizens?
Jay, you have always advocated smaller government, and less police intervention. But the tories have done nothing to bolster that view.
I voted for them last time because I wanted smaller government, and less spending. They have done anything but. Plus, with the rules they want to implement on spying on Canadians through the internet, I just cannot support such a regime that is trying to grow its powers on surveillance against it's very people.
Innovation creates wealth. That wealth is a product of citizens being free to engage in activities they see best. By, working together. By being able to engage the system, and pull out resources to support their endeavors.
The conservatives have not empowered the people in any way, shape or form. They have limited access to our senior leaders. They have attempted to limit our access to information requests, and they have spent like drunken liberals (wasted resources). They have no idea of how to work WITH or FOR the people. They want us to work for them.
I'm sick of it. I have voted conservative at every level of government, every chance I got, and now, I have only my self to blame for the problems facing our country. |
| quote: | Originally posted by GGM
I've voted Conservative in the past here and there as well. But I don't care if they'd be the best for the economy or they will end the deficit quicker than the other parties anymore. It comes down to the fact that we have a political system that makes progress somewhat hard to make. The damage that Harper could do (limiting human rights, reducing taxes so there isn't enough public funding, selling out to the US the list goes on and on) with 4 years of a majority could potentially take many years to undo, if even possible at all. In that sense I don't really care if economically we do 20% worse or taxes are higher because for the long term health of the country someone else, anyone else needs to be in power. |
funny enough, when it's happening in our backyards (municipal politics) a lot of people don't see what's really going on. 4 years of ford rule may not be alot, but it will take a lot more to undo the damage, if at all, like GGM said. |
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| nacarter |
I think one of the biggest problems that Harper faces is that more people are becoming skeptical of the claim that if corporations are happy, our economy will boom. We're waiting for any evidence of this claim.
Trickle-down economics isn't anything new, the idea was put forth by laissez-faire economists over 100 years ago. The problem with this idea is that it's based on a false assumption. Modern trickle-down theory claims that if corporate taxes are low, then companies will hire more people and the wealth that's generated will flow to the middle and working class. Sounds good, but here's the problem. Can anybody name ONE company that hires people just because they have the cash to do so? The only entity that does this is the public sector. It's wealth generation is neutral (at best) because it's taxpayer funded. It's mostly a redistribution of capital.
There are only two circumstances that create job growth. One, consumer demand puts pressure on production, necessitating job creation to keep up with demand. Secondly, jobs are created (as mentioned previously) by innovation which creates new companies and new sectors.
Due to Conservative corporate tax policy, our corporate taxes are nearly 10 percent lower than any other OECD nation. Raising corporate taxes 2-2.5 percent would have no impact on our competitiveness in relation to our current situation. Further lowering of corporate taxes will not create jobs because there is no stimulus on consumers to purchase more. Demand stays the same and companies pocket the profits.
Want to create jobs? Decrease personal income tax by 1.5-2 percent across the bottom three or four tax brackets. Give consumers more spending power and stimulate increased demand for consumer goods. The hit on government coffers is negligible because of the corresponding increase in corporate taxes. It becomes a revenue neutral tax break, while creating jobs that stimulate the economy and create more wealth overall.
While we're at it, it's also time to take a better look at free trade agreements, not just with the US, but with all of our global partners. Yes, the Harper government has created jobs; problem is, most of them are in China, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia and India. From a manufacturing perspective, you can drop corporate taxes to near 0% and still not be able to compete with companies that only have to pay $1.00/hr in labour costs. It's time for a different approach. Global companies want access to the Canadian market? They'd better be prepared to contribute something to our economy, rather than offshoring capital. This is a case where planned redundancy is beneficial to our economy. It's where the middle class of the 50's and 60's came from.
One of Stephen Harper's promises when he first became Prime Minister was an end to corporate welfare. What happened? Even in a minority situation, he had plenty of ideological support for this concept from the opposition parties. Sorry, I know what happend. He looked to his right and saw his Big Oil buddies in Calgary. Then he looked to his left and saw his Bay Street buddies in Toronto. Guess what happened? Stephen Harper chose corporations over Canadians.
If harper wants to regain any credibility in this country, Canadians are going to have to come first for a change. |
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| GGM |
| ^^^ Brilliant post. That's honestly better written, more insightful, and contains more truth than 90% of the BS the media puts forth. |
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