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Canadian Federal Elections 2011 - Official Thread (pg. 28)
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| jester |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
No surprise there. The next two years will be interesting for the Liberal Party. I don't see them electing a new leader in the next two years as there is no rush to do so. They will let Bob Rae be the house leader since he is the senior guy but I don't think he will become the next leader of the Liberal Party. This is the Liberal's chance to strip things down and start fresh. Before the election I thought you might see a combining of the liberal and NDP but with the NDP having such a strong showing I don't see that happening now. I do think we will see Justin Trudeau emerge as the new leader of the Liberals. I would prefer him to have another election under his belt before being the leader but I think he is the only choice at this time, unless someone surprises people in the next two years. |
It will be interesting to see Trudeau, but as you say it is to early. Maybe we can run things in 8 years.
Seeing the CBC is part of the Government, does that mean it becomes a government Fox News? That is to all the people who are bitching about the Conservatives. I know our system is deeply flawed, but that is our system.
Lets see what these 4 years have in store for us. It is the first time in 27 years we have a Conservative majority. |
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| SPANIARD |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Still shocked at yet another low voter turn out. |
Shocked? Really? |
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| nacarter |
| Things might get interesting for the Libs, if they can shake Charest out of Quebec |
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| Yohan |
in a way, this result may be bad for NDP in the long term. NDP will now be expected to deliver for Quebec, but with a Cons majority and Harper, who found out that Quebec just don't give a about Harper (but may be more receptive to centre right msg), it will be hard for Layton to fight for anyone really, especially Quebec.
so if Layton is seen as not doing enough for Quebec, NDP will lose all their gains in next election. should be interesting to see just how much of lasting grassroot influence NDP will have on federal politics will remain to be seen
the Liberals better vote for a centre right leader next time. I think a lot of centre right Libs got fed up with Dion's centre left tinkering and Iggy's... well, did anyone really know where Iggy stood? and they voted for the Cons.
Having Bob Rae (and his epic fail legacy in Ontario) as leader will be the worst thing the Libs can do, because centre right Libs don't want another centre left Libs leader. plus Bob Rae is tainted from his NDP past. if the Libs want their centre right voters back again, they need to elect a new leader who is clearly centre right, and has enough charisma to take back centre left from Layton. frankly, I don't see a dude in Libs rank who can do this. Justin Trudeau is not ready and will be eating alive.
BQ took a heavy beating, but they will come back. esp since I don't think NDP can deliver much for Quebec and they will be disillusioned by another federalist party who failed to really deliver. (best thing for separatism in Quebec?)
the Greens are here to stay... pending on how May does at the Commons. she'll try to make as much noise as possible, but I get a feeling that she's about relevant as Olivia Chow and about same amount of annoying. it's a signal to others that fringe parties can get elected, so hopefully we'll see the Rhino Party get elected soon. :D
Harper played a shrewd game and he won. I don't know whether he knew Iggy would implode like this, and I'm certain he didn't see Bloc collapsing like this, but he is one smart politico, despite all the tarring he got (and he dished out in return), he still managed to convince the general public that the Cons will give them a lot of cash... well, we'll see.
should be interesting next 4 years, but I hope Harper remembers that he is on notice and doesn't do anything stupid. because come next general election, the canadian public will have their say again
but I don't think Harper will do anything too drastic to appease his right wing members. after all, he delivered a majority and who else are they going to turn to? Preston Manning? lol
didn't canada had a referendum on proportional representation system like last election? or was it the one before? |
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| nacarter |
The good news is that policy (good or bad) is now on Harper's shoulders alone. He can't hide behind the opposition watering down his bills in a minority situation. He'll either sink or swim.
Frankly, the Libs need to start talking merger with the NDP. With the exception of Dryden's riding, every Con win in the 416 was due to vote splitting between the Libs and NDP. How long does the left really want to be out in the political wilderness.
The one thing that the opposition parties need to work on between now and the next federal election is targetting the message. You can't just yell the same phrase over and over again and hope people get it. The Cons are the masters of the targetted message:
Seniors: They're afraid of EVERYTHING. Don't think for a second that the Law & Order platform was aimed at 30-something professionals. Seniors drink this Kool-Aid everytime, and the opposition had no cohesive response.
The 905: We're talking about people who are lifestyle oriented. They want low corporate taxes because that's good for their stock portfolios, they don't want environmental policies because they like their SUVs, and who cares about social policy - how many homeless people live in Mississauga or Oakville?
Rural: Socially conservative to begin with and excessively pissed about the gun registry.
That translates into a majority |
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
didn't canada had a referendum on proportional representation system like last election? or was it the one before? |
Last one, if memory serves.
Speaking of:
http://www.fairvote.ca/en/Canadians...y-voting-system
Canadians cheated again by voting system says Fair Vote Canada
Canada’s national citizens’ movement for voting reform has released analysis of Tuesday’s federal election results showing that the outcome does not accurately reflect the way Canadians voted.
“The Conservative party increased their vote percentage by less than two points,” says Fair Vote Canada (FVC) President Bronwen Bruch, “but this allowed them to win 24 more seats than in 2008, when they were already over-represented. Stephen Harper calls this a ‘decisive endorsement’, but we call it a rip-off.”
At the time of writing, these were the actual seats won and leading for each party:
CON 167, NDP 102, LIB 34, BQ 4, GREEN 1
If the seats were won in proportion to the votes that were cast, the numbers would look like this:
CON 122, NDP 95, LIB 59, BQ 19, GREEN 13
According to these results, the Conservatives have won 54.22% of the seats with only 39.62% of the votes, one of the least legitimate majorities in Canadian history.
“This is a classic phony majority,” said Bruch, “and leaves us with a government that is completely unaccountable to Parliament. As long as they maintain rigid party discipline, nothing bad can happen to them for four years.”
The FVC analysis shows that the NDP, historically under-represented by Canada’s winner-take-all voting system, is now over-represented by seven seats, thanks to the “orange wave” that vaulted them into second place.
The Liberal Party, on the other hand, traditionally over-represented to the degree that they were regarded as Canada’s “natural governing party”, is now the chief victim of the voting system. While their vote percentage fell by less than 8%, they lost more than half their seats.
The Bloc Québècois, which has always previously been over-represented because their votes are concentrated in one region, has been decimated. Although their vote percentage has collapsed, they should still be entitled to 19 seats, but they are winning or leading in only four seats.
The Green Party is ecstatic to have finally won a single seat, but they actually received enough votes across the country to win 13 seats.
“Across the country,” added Fair Vote Canada Executive Director Wayne Smith, “vote splits between the Liberals and NDP allowed the Conservatives to steal seats. Once again, our antiquated voting system has given us the wrong government, a government that most of us voted against.
“It is truly time to change our voting system. If we want politics to be different, we need a vote that makes a difference.” |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Still shocked at yet another low voter turn out. It is sad that canadians just don't care about their country. |
I think Canadians are sick and tired of electing in clowns, every 2 years.
Anyways, I dunno how I feel about a Conservative Majority. On the one hand, they're the best option out of the 3, but at the same time they have some really stupid ideas they're trying to push through. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
I think Canadians are sick and tired of electing in clowns, every 2 years.
Anyways, I dunno how I feel about a Conservative Majority. On the one hand, they're the best option out of the 3, but at the same time they have some really stupid ideas they're trying to push through. |
If Canadians were sick and tired of electing clowns then you'd think they would go out and vote to make sure someone gets elected. This election was better but I honestly feel anything less then 75% is just disrespectful.
Overall, I don't mind the conservative platform. In reality, with the type of job I do, my income level and my lifestyle the conservative party is who I should vote for. I've said all along that its not the conservative platform I have issue with its harper and the fact that i just don't trust him. I believe he has his own agenda and now given the opportunity he will set his agenda into place, regardless of what the party wants. I hope I'm wrong about him. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Euphorica
4 yrs of bs, here we come |
+1
:( To the Conservatives, go ahead enjoy your little celebrations. Let’s talk in a about 2 years from now when we have spent billions on military and other bull that Harper feels that is “necessary “and when our deficit going to the roof. It is a sad day here in Canada. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| I should have voted for the Pirate Party of Canada. |
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| Takayuki |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
If the seats were won in proportion to the votes that were cast, the numbers would look like this:
CON 122, NDP 95, LIB 59, BQ 19, GREEN 13
According to these results, the Conservatives have won 54.22% of the seats with only 39.62% of the votes, one of the least legitimate majorities in Canadian history.
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This sh!t makes me so furious. Our voting system is horrendous. |
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| jester |
| quote: | Originally posted by Takayuki
This sh!t makes me so furious. Our voting system is horrendous. |
Blame the English. That's what Quebec always does lol :p |
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