Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
We're talking about DJs playing tracks from their own labels and friends and you you think we're talking about producers with no "affiliations or labels"? How ing stupid can you be? Are you reading our posts at all? Get the out of here, you ing clown.
I told you that with the new laws and attack on nightlife and the record industry the way it is these days there is no vehicle for people to express themselves and be able to reach people and shape culture independently. You said that there is and it is called the internet but then you switched your tune to say that you DO need somebody from the industry to help you after all! I am sorry but I was talking about independently. And were is Steve ISHKUR Dahl? Can't he speak for himself or is dickriding a double standard too?
Sykonee
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Originally posted by TheoneIgiveall
You said that there is and it is called the internet but then you switched your tune to say that you DO need somebody from the industry to help you after all!
Yeah, I'm not going to say anything here at all!! This is just another run-on sentence to keep some kind of running theme going on here, for God's sake almighty one and a half button of tard!!!!??? Also, Ms. Coulter is a hag. Hag, I say!!!
But what does that matter? The scene!! Yes, the scene. No, not the scene. The scene scene! Yes, that scene. Okay, this is getting silly. Maybe some more fun. What's next???? Oh yes, the big ol' gap, like the space between someone's ears, I imagine!! Irrelevant 80s namederp.
Smiley faces are fun things, but I'm not too careful to bring them about since there's no reason to have anything around here. I mean, who, I ask you WHO reads this??? YOU??!!! Exclamations????!!!! Okay, now what? I don't know!!!!
TheoneIgiveall
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And why is nearly everyone your "opponent" anyway? Why post on an internet forum with such insistence only to oppose people?
Because I can. If you come on here trying to deceive people with your agenda I will expose you. Leave your ass butt-naked crying about run on sentences and smilies. Like this one>
Now where did steve go? Somebody get steve! :stongue:
Ishkur
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Originally posted by TheOneILongFor
You still haven't answered my question.
That's because it wasn't a question.
Ishkur
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Originally posted by TheoneIrun2
Ishkur is nothing but a modern day Steve Dahl!
Incorrect.
I am Spiral Tribe. I am the liberator of dance music, the cultivator of culture, a stochastic, shamanic anarchistic archaic revival. The scene comes from the bottom up. Grassroot level. It bubbles, it cultivates, and it broods among like-mindeds for social sustenance. It is to be cherished, valued, and preserved. It is not a business, it is a moral valueset. It cannot be purchased.
YOU are the enemy. You are the defender of the Don Kings of the scene, the parasites and leeches who treat participants like customers and clients. You see culture as a commodity to be controlled, bottlenecked and disseminated from the top down. From corporate oligarchies. From boardroom execs, from suits, from marketers and psychologists and social engineers. You want an industry devoted to selling you , not enriching your interests. Where the very values of your lifestyle are ripped away from you, slapped with a pricetag and sold back to you by those who never had the right. The transference of social wealth from culture to commodity. you.
The scene does not focus on one song, or one DJ, or one artist or one label, for any amount of time longer than any record playing on any given night. The unresolved, infinite track means the music has no image, no ego, no face, no name, no nothing. All music just one constant, ceaseless soup. The death of the rockstar, the death of the message, the death of meaning, the death of music, the end of album-oriented marketing, the end of purpose, past, present, and tasteless idolatry. Only then will we be truly free.
What we're doing is not really any different than generations of the past: 70s and all-night coke orgies at discotheques, 60s, LSD and love-ins -- sex, drugs and rock & roll -- 50s and amphetamine-fueled sock hops, 40s and swing, 30s and marijuana jazz, and so on. But in its present application and form, it could not have been applied to any other time but now. The merging of technology and humanity. We are the ADD generation. This music, this culture, the aesthetics of this lifestyle was tailor made by us, for us. The fast pace of life. Getting our information in chewable sound bites and talking points. The bottom line. Short takes, quick cuts. The TV remote-control clicker. High stimulation. Restlessness. Violence. Anxiety. Ingenuity. Creativity. Speed. Present-centered, no future, no past. Everything focuses on the NOW. Disorganization and disorientation. Our mistrust of authority. Video. Going for the gusto. Making it on the run. The fast track. Whatever works. Hollywood. The stock exchange. Fads.
The insta-stimulation. Not the anticipation or the expectation. The NOW: Experiencing every moment as it happens, and then immediately experiencing it again as a perpetual feedback loop. The music is meant to be repetitive. The music reflects our mood, our state of mind, the pace of our generation.
We are blip culture. There is only a NOW, and it is either blissed-out or dreadful. Sometimes it is both.
So don't front. In your futile attempt to control us, we will destroy you.
Redd
I knew this thread would become gold when Ishkur made an appearance. And I mistook the Existo alt to be clubamerica first :tongue2
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by TheoneIgiveall
I told you that with the new laws and attack on nightlife and the record industry the way it is these days there is no vehicle for people to express themselves and be able to reach people and shape culture independently. You said that there is and it is called the internet but then you switched your tune to say that you DO need somebody from the industry to help you after all! I am sorry but I was talking about independently. And were is Steve ISHKUR Dahl? Can't he speak for himself or is dickriding a double standard too?
Let's go through this very carefully, using your actual quotes, so you might be able to follow your own rambling, incoherent cluster- of an argument.
You were saying the only way to influence large numbers of people was to go on MTV and collaborate with the likes of Akon:
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Originally posted by TheoneIrun2
Nobody can break records unless he is playing along... unless he is on the radio unless he is doing pop collaborations! Unless he is all in the music videos with the akons of this world!
You were refuting the idea that DJs use manipulative, self-aggrandising tactics to make a lot of money:
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Originally posted by TheOneILongFor You come here talking about how Djs are not in it for the music they are only there to promote their own or their friends tracks...
Really Ish? Really? Why? Because there is such good money selling EDM records mp3s to others on the internet?
The entire direction of your argument is to disagree with Ishkur's assertion that a lot of DJs whore their labels and friends to make money, because you believe there's no money to be made from selling tracks and therefore all these DJs are in it for the love.
We've already established that this discussion was not referring to (or attacking) up and coming or unknown DJs or producers:
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Ishkur isn't talking about jobbing no-name DJs who play for the love. He's talking about the big name DJs who influence the rest of the scene. The DJs who break big tracks, who play to the most people, who appear in the press, who everyone has heard about.
Right from the start, and consistently thereafter, you've utterly failed to understand what this is about, and your angry little tantrums have all been based on a completely misconstrued notion of what we're discussing. We were never talking about people with no affiliations and no label, you stick, and the fact you couldn't grasp that immediately says everything about your profound stupidity.
The other problem you have, aside from crippling stupidity and incredible naivity, is that you're still locked in an outdated model of how the music industry works. You're still used to the largely centralised world of the '90s, where you as a listener didn't have to do any crate-digging for the music you liked because your hero Oakenfold would pull the classics out of the promo pool for you. Now the Internet has let everyone put their music out and yet sales are down, the only music that's going to be picked up and ruthlessly hyped by the big name DJs and labels is music that's safe and watered down and guaranteed to appeal to large numbers of people. There isn't the commercial platform for well known DJs and musicians to be daring an experimental, and so you interpret that as music being dead. What you've failed to realise is that the great music is still being made, but now the responsibility is on you as a listener to find it. There are so many great acts releasing music on their own labels without any outside help, but because they don't appear in Mixmag you'll never know they exist.
Like Ishkur said - the underground must always be sought out, and that's especially true these days. You want a world where the music you like is brought to you, which is why you're so laughably angry about the modern music scene. Sadly, a great many people are the same as you, not just on TA but everywhere. The only small blessing is that most of them aren't as intolerably pig- stupid.
TheoneIgiveall
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Originally posted by Ishkur
Incorrect.
I am Spiral Tribe. I am the liberator of dance music, the cultivator of culture, a stochastic, shamanic anarchistic archaic revival. The scene comes from the bottom up. Grassroot level. It bubbles, it cultivates, and it broods among like-mindeds for social sustenance. It is to be cherished, valued, and preserved. It is not a business, it is a moral valueset. It cannot be purchased.
YOU are the enemy. You are the defender of the Don Kings of the scene, the parasites and leeches who treat participants like customers and clients. You see culture as a commodity to be controlled, bottlenecked and disseminated from the top down. From corporate oligarchies. From boardroom execs, from suits, from marketers and psychologists and social engineers. You want an industry devoted to selling you , not enriching your interests. Where the very values of your lifestyle are ripped away from you, slapped with a pricetag and sold back to you by those who never had the right. The transference of social wealth from culture to commodity. you.
The scene does not focus on one song, or one DJ, or one artist or one label, for any amount of time longer than any record playing on any given night. The unresolved, infinite track means the music has no image, no ego, no face, no name, no nothing. All music just one constant, ceaseless soup. The death of the rockstar, the death of the message, the death of meaning, the death of music, the end of album-oriented marketing, the end of purpose, past, present, and tasteless idolatry. Only then will we be truly free.
What we're doing is not really any different than generations of the past: 70s and all-night coke orgies at discotheques, 60s, LSD and love-ins -- sex, drugs and rock & roll -- 50s and amphetamine-fueled sock hops, 40s and swing, 30s and marijuana jazz, and so on. But in its present application and form, it could not have been applied to any other time but now. The merging of technology and humanity. We are the ADD generation. This music, this culture, the aesthetics of this lifestyle was tailor made by us, for us. The fast pace of life. Getting our information in chewable sound bites and talking points. The bottom line. Short takes, quick cuts. The TV remote-control clicker. High stimulation. Restlessness. Violence. Anxiety. Ingenuity. Creativity. Speed. Present-centered, no future, no past. Everything focuses on the NOW. Disorganization and disorientation. Our mistrust of authority...
You are the authority! You are the undercover! You are king nothing! You are the opressor! Of course you want to disorganize us! Of course you are waging war against us! Of course you are looking to deceive us with your lies and propaganda! It's a trap! It's a setup! History repeats its self and you ARE a modern day Steve Dahl! Of course you are waging war on clubs! Clubs bring people together! Of course you hate album oriented marketing! Record sales put musicians in a position of power to spread their message of love! Love rather than hate Steve! Hate is what you stand for! You want to control the arts! You want to shatter independent thought! You don't want ''employes and inferiors'' as you like to call them having any sort of say in this do you? We have seen that episode before steve! We have! When a subculture running parallel to the mainstream gets too big for its own good it gets shut down with some unseen media hand fueling the process.
And now that you got your way steve and pushed us out the way this is how you choose to portray us...
Because this is how you see us steve! And you hate the nightlife steve! You hate it! You always did!
There is a big elephant in the room! This is a classic classic case of destroy and rebuilt! What we are seeing here is some media agenda. Erase the scene and replace it with a new one you control and the people are too ignorant to know any better! Well... I LET THE WORLD KNOW COWARD!! :whip: :whip: I let the world know about your deliberate deception! Because we are the ones that stand for freedom of thought and expression! We are the ones that stand for for unity and love!
The past couple of years I have been reflecting on what the dance scene meant and the story that comes to mind is the story of a young talented producer called Adam Spears. Adam Spears was only 18 years old and he had a record out that was receiving international play. And this what the dance scene was about at the time! It was about young people having the right to find their way in the world and genuinely express themselves through music rather than buying into some old mans idea of what values music should be built on. It was about young people deciding for themselves what they should like rather than reading what music they should like and what music they shouldn't. It was a great time where both the free market and the artistic expression were allowed to breath and it is of my belief that we need to allow these talented young people to empower themselves again so that they can define their own destiny and the culture around them! Starkid made a wish and that wish came true. His record got signed he started getting exposure things started happening for him but then some drunk driver came clipped his wings off. It seems to me the same thing happened to dance music.
enydo
Ever heard of Nicholas Jaar? Seth Troxler?
Pretty sure these guys are young, are finding a pretty decent amount of success DJing / playing live, and they've managed to get records released on pretty reputed labels which helps them obtain gigs. I fail to see how artists like this differ at all from your example other than making and mixing a slightly different type of dance music, and existing within a cultural structure that differs from your observed golden era. Those are only two examples of "younger" artists in a sea of up and comers including a bunch of DJs and producers within the dubstep movement that's been blowing up for the past years.
You're bull stems from anger, anger that what's popular now isn't what you want to hear so you assume the system itself is falling apart in some way and needs to be "saved". You're ing stupid. You are literally talking nonsense about how Ishkur wishes to build up a scene of his own design in order to forward his goals.
You are either trolling hard, or so dumb it's deplorable. You honestly probably need to seek psychiatric help as this all is starting to sound like the ramblings of a schizophrenic or someone suffering some sort of psychosis. Please, get checked out.
TheoneIgiveall
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Originally posted by enydo
Those are only two examples of "younger" artists in a sea of up and comers including a bunch of DJs and producers within the dubstep movement that's been blowing up for the past years.
Mother the dubstep movement! :whip: :whip: It is only a matter of time before this garbage merges with hip hop culture! Everything we fought to stay away from! The loss of our dignity... The culture of exploitation! THIS is the culture bottlenecked and disseminated from the top down. From corporate oligarchies. From boardroom execs, from suits, from marketers and psychologists and social engineers. From the Steve Dahls of this world! THIS is the industry devoted to selling people ! THIS is the culture that turns people into commodities.
This is the culture that turns people into this!
Not dance music from independent record labels! How dare you compare our movement to this crap as if it was equal in content and equal in intent? How DARE you? :whip: :whip:
