whats up with that existo22 song? nobody ever made a song for me:(
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by TheOneILongFor
If these djs were really promowhores they wouldn't nickel and dime with dance music or try to sustain their labels through the hard times they would be spinning top40!
How many Top 40 DJs sell out arenas on their own name? Ishkur isn't talking about jobbing no-name DJs who play for the love. He's talking about the big name DJs who influence the rest of the scene. The DJs who break big tracks, who play to the most people, who appear in the press, who everyone has heard about.
TheoneIrun2
Nobody can break records unless he is playing along... unless he is on the radio unless he is doing pop collaborations! Unless he is all in the music videos with the akons of this world! The is no vehicle for people to express themselves and be able to reach people and shape culture independently! The independent scene was pushed out the way years ago! The lenders stopped financing the distributors! Wake up! They pulled the plug! And there are politics in this! Paul Van Dyk who ishkur hates made a cd called politics of dancing back then! Right around the time they shut down twilo....
And with with the new laws and attack on nightlife people are not finding out about dance music like they used to. Twilo, Deep, View, Spirit and Avalon, love, limelight, tunnel all raided at gun point! They hate the nightlife! Because it stands for everything people like ishkur are against! It stands for unity! For people celebrating life! Rich poor black white all together partying! They ing HATE that! Hate is what they stand for! They want to keep people seperated! They want to keep people in the dark! The want to turn people against each other! To divide and rule! Ishkur is nothing but a modern day Steve Dahl!
''We are a vehicle for your thoughts! Disco sucks!''
''As a club/music consumer, your responsibility should be''
''No Beegees under any circumstances.''
You are even saying the same things he did 30 years later for s sake! No beegees! No beegees! Ishkur that is YOU right there! ^ I LET THE WORLD KNOW COWARD! :whip: :whip:
nefardec
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Originally posted by TheoneIrun2
You are even saying the same things he did 30 years later for s sake! No beegees! No beegees! Ishkur that is YOU right there! ^ I LET THE WORLD KNOW COWARD! :whip: :whip:
disco sucks was a great thing for the development underground music, especially house music.
TheoneIrun2
Go ask the black folks leaving in the projects how good a thing rap culture that replaced disco was for their community! Ask them! Ask them About the funerals and the closed caskets every week! :whip:
Lews
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Originally posted by TheoneIrun2
And with with the new laws and attack on nightlife people are not finding out about dance music like they used to. Twilo, Deep, View, Spirit and Avalon, love, limelight, tunnel all raided at gun point! They hate the nightlife! Because it stands for everything people like ishkur are against! It stands for unity! For people celebrating life! Rich poor black white all together partying!
Lews
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Originally posted by TheoneIrun2
Go ask the black folks leaving in the projects how good a thing rap culture that replaced disco was for their community! Ask them! Ask them About the funerals and the closed caskets every week! :whip:
:stongue: :stongue: :stongue:
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by TheoneIrun2
Nobody can break records unless he is playing along... unless he is on the radio unless he is doing pop collaborations! Unless he is all in the music videos with the akons of this world! The is no vehicle for people to express themselves and be able to reach people and shape culture independently!
Yes there is. It's called the Internet.
TheoneIrun2
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Yes there is. It's called the Internet.
Bull! Bull! You need money to be able to truly influence culture and reach people! And then you need more money! That is how you are able to rise from being a small town club dj to being somebody like paul Oakenfold and be able to put out music that will raise eyebrows of the big wigs in the industry as a force to be reckoned with! Of course Steve dahl is going to have a problem with him! GU007 sold 150.000 in the US alone! Now there is no variable economic model that can earn people a living yet alone anywere near that sort of that influence! Not though selling music on the internet! And there are few clubs left going too! So djs/performers/musicians are all employees of the industry. Disposable heroes or as ishkur likes to call them ''employees and inferiors!'' ''employees and inferiors!'' Everything we fought to get away from ever since Frank Sinatra's days! :whip: We have been through this already at the John fleming thread! JOOF told you! Didnt he? Didn't he?
Sykonee
The is this bint ranting on about now? As far as I can gather, her argument goes something like this:
"For the true underground scene to survive, it must sell out to the mainstream. Then, and only then, will people truly appreciate the true underground scene."
:conf:
Lews
She's completely contradictory. Don't worry about it.
SYSTEM-J
Contemporary DJs earn a hell of a lot more money than Oakenfold did in the '90s. Back then he revealed that he earned £750,000 a year from DJing, which was considered excessive. These days, Tiesto has admitted to earning eight figures a year from his job.
Your problem is that you're ridiculously ing naive. You even believe Oakenfold did everything for the love of music and just happened to get rich, even though there are interviews where he lays out his carefully planned marketing strategies in detail.
The problem with their being no money in record sales is that it forces DJs and musicians who want to make it to be even more ruthless and manipulative. It's not like everyone's suddenly doing it for the love because sales have dropped. Label and track whoring has always existed, but it's gone into overdrive in recent years. Everyone knows producers turn to DJing to make their money, and everyone knows that you can't be a big DJ without having productions to your name. I don't think there's a single name on the DJ Mag Top 100 who doesn't produce. The tracks themselves don't sell copies, but they are marketing tools that get you your DJ gigs that make you your money. They aren't marketed on MTV or Clear Channel or daytime radio or any of that other irrelevant ing , you cretin. They're marketed through the ing Internet. And trust me, there is still a hell of a lot of money to be made in scoring DJ gigs. People still turn out to see well-known DJs, and promoters still pay big money to bring them to town. There may be less club nights, but it's only no-name wankers like you who are getting muscled out of gigs. Local DJs suffer, the big ones profit. It's become a cut-throat industry.
And it goes further. If you want to book someone like Armin, you'll have to sign an agreement where you also book other DJs on his roster, even if you have no interest in putting them on. Funnily enough, these DJs are the same guys who are having their tracks whored out by Armin in his sets and on his radio shows. Which go out to millions of worldwide listeners, every week, on the Internet. Starting to make sense now?
