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Breaking Bad (pg. 53)
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Boss episode. Just boss.
The sauce, boss. |
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| simplcake |
| omg walt is like such a jerk |
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| WittyHandle |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
However, now that the Nazi's have most of Walt's money, I'm wondering if Walt isn't already aware that they plan on having Jesse cook for them, and he's got the M60 to go save him. That could be ty pipe dreams, and I'm still not sure what to think about it other than Walt being severely pissed at Jesse and hoping he dies.
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Walt has made the order to kill Jesse a few times now, and was only interrupted by actions outside of his control. He wants him dead, and to hurt as much as possible. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
Walt has made the order to kill Jesse a few times now, and was only interrupted by actions outside of his control. He wants him dead, and to hurt as much as possible. |
No he hasn't. He made the order once, and then stuck with it after Jesse spit in his face and brought Hank to the scene. The entire theme so far has been that Walt is 10 steps ahead at all times. I'm wondering if the "hit" on Jesse is just another ploy. What kind of "father" would Walt be if he wanted his "son" dead? We'll find out how this all plays out in the next two weeks. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
The phone call that Walt made at the end was an act; he said it not because he is evil but because he assumed the police were listening in and wanted to sound as evil as possible to place all of the blame solely on him and absolve his wife of all guilt and legal repercussions. That way at least she won't go to prison and can still raise Walt Jr. and Holly and they can be something closer to resembling a "family" without him. That's why he drove to the fire station before he made the call, and why he was crying throughout the phone call. |
If i could send you an online cookie i would, thanks for clearing that up.
And now the M60 is biggest question mark, i think something needs to happen to Walt's family or to Brock and his mother, i think it's going to happen to Walt's family because why would Walt give a about Brock and his mother?
I think Jesse will act stupid and get killed by the Nazis, the Nazis will need Walt and deliver a massage via Saul to come back and help them or his family gets it. |
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| WittyHandle |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
No he hasn't. He made the order once, and then stuck with it after Jesse spit in his face and brought Hank to the scene. The entire theme so far has been that Walt is 10 steps ahead at all times. I'm wondering if the "hit" on Jesse is just another ploy. What kind of "father" would Walt be if he wanted his "son" dead? We'll find out how this all plays out in the next two weeks. |
Ok, if you want to consider that all one instance of him giving the order to have Jesse killed,I can see that. But my point is Walt gave the order and was interrupted by events outside of his control. The most recent being Todd stopping his uncle from pulling the trigger. If he hadn't, Jesse would've been dead by Walt's command. Walt's turning on Jesse is one of the strongest signs of him becoming fully evil imo. The entire theme isn't Walt's being smarter, it's him going from good to evil. |
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True. But there are multiple themes here, that's what makes it brilliant. Walt is always 10 steps ahead. The Jesse scenario is perhaps the most perplexing of them all, because we have no idea what is happening next on that front. We can speculate all day long. There are so many possibilities, it's ridiculous. Perhaps Walt is feeling slighted by the fact that Jesse indirectly caused the death of his brother in law, because he originally was just going to kill him. At this point I have no idea.
Jesse caused a lot of Walt's problems, and Walt caused a lot of Jesse's problems. There are a lot of motifs and themes, too many to keep track of, that support this. |
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Jesse pretty much got Hank killed, it's fully understandable he wants him dead. But, for all we know, Walt had a chat with Todd when the rest of the nazis where doing the first dig, telling him about the use they could have for Jesse. Thus the whole "go ahead" to kill Jesse was an act and Todd was meant to interrupt it.
I thought the panic-tackle-Walt-call-the-cops from Jr. was a little off. His bond with Walt seems to be just as good, if not better, than with Skyler. She had just told him a lot of bad things about his dad that he didn't know wether to believe or not, then Walt suddenly shows up, NOT being in custody as told by Skyler. I would think this would leave him doubting the story even more. Granted Skyler did stand between him and Walt, as if protecting him, but she was the one who attacked Walt with the knife. Maybe I'm just overthinking it and Jr. is just a scared idiot kid. |
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| WittyHandle |
| But Walt put out the hit on Jesse before the fatal meeting in the desert. He did it right after Jesse's phone call where he said to "I'm gonna hit you where you really live". The Hank issue was just further weight on the matter. |
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| PatMcGroin |
im wondering why the nazis (assuming its them) go after walts house though tagging it up with heisenberg. they got the money and now they got jesse. maybe im off here, but we dont know which came first right, walt going to his house to pick up the ricin (also wheres that gonna play in?) or walt buying the m60?
could be that walt "saves" jesse (or kills him too whatever) with the m60 and as revenge they go after walts family.
everyone has to die. but how????
also why didnt marie just spontaneously combust when she heard the hank news? woulda made the episode that much more epic. havent been able to stand her purple since well the beginning.
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
The phone call that Walt made at the end was an act; he said it not because he is evil but because he assumed the police were listening in and wanted to sound as evil as possible to place all of the blame solely on him and absolve his wife of all guilt and legal repercussions. That way at least she won't go to prison and can still raise Walt Jr. and Holly and they can be something closer to resembling a "family" without him. That's why he drove to the fire station before he made the call, and why he was crying throughout the phone call. |
thanks. might have caught this in a rewatch but was wondering the same thing while just watching the episode. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
But Walt put out the hit on Jesse before the fatal meeting in the desert. He did it right after Jesse's phone call where he said to "I'm gonna hit you where you really live". The Hank issue was just further weight on the matter. |
Fair enough, but when the nazi killed Hank I'm pretty sure Walt decided they should all die. Using Jesse in a scheme to do so would be kind of his style. |
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