This reminds me of the ordinary citizens in Egypt, doing the police job protecting peoples homes and even the museum.
hardcore trancer
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Originally posted by jester
This reminds me of the ordinary citizens in Egypt, doing the police job protecting peoples homes and even the museum.
Thats what came to my mind too. I'm no sure if this is a good thing or bad. People fighting eachother, How will that calm things down?
_Ocean_Drive_
This occurred in Manchester. Usually I don't condone police brutality, but this time I couldn't give a .
jester
It holds 24 baseballs and can shoot a ball out at 80 mph :) This would be an interesting thing to use against the looters or you can always line people up on the street with their golf clubs and start hitting people with golf balls ;)
Lira
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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_
This occurred in Manchester. Usually I don't condone police brutality, but this time I couldn't give a .
I would only call that police brutality if they beat that (apparently innocent) lad to a pulp. It seems they only tackled the troublemakers, and I couldn't expect any less.
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Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I'm not sure I agree with you, Lira. Certainly, there are historical examples where violence has destroyed something allowing something else to be established in it's place; however, that's not changing an institution but replacing it. Of course, there are also plenty of historical examples where violence preceeded changes but the change itself was initiated internally with violence usually being a result of the resistance to change and then exacerbating the change that was already taking hold. Violence itself doesn't cause change... someone with influence and power must usher in the reform.
That's true, and I wouldn't ever doubt that for a moment. But, my point is, violence does weaken the power of any given authority, even when this is an unintended consequence. For example, there was a very important ideological structure prepared before (and after) the storming of the Bastille - but what they achieve that one time through violence was very unlikely to be accomplished through sheer diplomacy, methinks.
dj_alfi
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Originally posted by Lira
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I would only call that police brutality if they beat that (apparently innocent) lad to a pulp. It seems they only tackled the troublemakers, and I couldn't expect any less.
If you watched it through to the end, you'd see a line of policemen marching up from where the bikers came from. I would assume they notified the lucky ones that got to lay the smackdown over walkie talkie or a similar british communication device.
Lira
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Originally posted by dj_alfi
If you watched it through to the end, you'd see a line of policemen marching up from where the bikers came from. I would assume they notified the lucky ones that got to lay the smackdown over walkie talkie or a similar british communication device.
I saw that. I believe walkie talkie in British English is, because of all the knobs and the remaining influences of the Beatles, "Twist'n'Spout", which later gave rise to 4chan's very own "Stroll and Troll".
Redd
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Massive Attack:
In context with the complicit support of the government, the banks looted the nation's wealth while destroying countless small businesses and brought the whole economy to its knees in a covert, clean manner, rather like organised crime.
Our reaction was to march and wave banners and then bail them out. These kids would have to riot and steal every night for a year to run up a bill equivalent to the value of non-paid tax big business has 'avoided' out of the economy this year alone. They may not articulate their grievances like the politicians that condemn them but this is absolutely political. As for the 'mindless violence'… is there anything more mindless than the British taxpayer quietly paying back the debts of others while contributing bullets to conflicts that we have absolutely no understanding of?
It's mad, sad and scary when we have to take to the streets to defend our homes and businesses from angry thieving kids, but where are the police and what justice is ever done when the mob is dressed in pin stripe.
