The best part is, everything is going to become more like 1984 now for those idiots.
Moral Hazard
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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
The best part is, everything is going to become more like 1984 now for those idiots.
Honestly, when are people going to learn that you can only change an institution from within? That said, I doubt that these riots really have anything to do with any form of protest against a thing or defineable goal other then destruction and theft for the sake of destruction and theft.
Zyklon_Jay
I have the satisfaction of knowing that those troglodytes will have less rights in the future. It is sad that the civilized, well doing people of England will lose some personal freedoms as well, but this is what happens when you let a country be overrun by uneducated cretins with no life prospects or goals. The government has failed the people i'm sure in this respect, but as you said, this riot is about opportunists and very little about an actual political statement.
Lira
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Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Honestly, when are people going to learn that you can only change an institution from within? That said, I doubt that these riots really have anything to do with any form of protest against a thing or defineable goal other then destruction and theft for the sake of destruction and theft.
If I were to guess, it's got more to do with the human tendency to "even things out" when we feel we are given the shaft than with any sort of proper rebellion so to speak.
As for changing the institutions from within, I'm not sure that's the only way (though it's the only form I'd ever fully endorse). It's probably the safest, smartest, most effective way we've ever found, but history offers plenty of counterexamples where violence did make some change come about.
Edit: And, apparently, I'm right. Aren't we predictable? :p
dj_alfi
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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
The best part is, everything is going to become more like 1984 now for those idiots.
Do you think any of these rioters have read Orwell? :p
SYSTEM-J
I don't think Jay has read 1984. In the novel only the middle classes and heavily observed and controlled. The proletariat are largely left to their own devices. I don't think it's the middle classes who are smashing up Manchester city centre.
Lira
Your status fits this thread perfectly, Syst :)
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Originally posted by dj_alfi
Do you think any of these rioters have read Orwell? :p
Fixed :D
dj_alfi
Yeah, you're right. They are definately the upper middle class.
dj_alfi
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Originally posted by Lira
Fixed :D
lol
Zyklon_Jay
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I don't think Jay has read 1984. In the novel only the middle classes and heavily observed and controlled. The proletariat are largely left to their own devices. I don't think it's the middle classes who are smashing up Manchester city centre.
It is required reading at least here in high school. I meant it in a a very broad sense. "Big Brother is watching" is a very common portrayal of England here in terms of the way it can be portrayed in our media. We hear so much about the CCTV cameras everywhere. You don't think nothing will change to make the population more "watched"?
It is an honest question. You live there, I don't.
Moral Hazard
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Originally posted by Lira
As for changing the institutions from within, I'm not sure that's the only way (though it's the only form I'd ever fully endorse). It's probably the safest, smartest, most effective way we've ever found, but history offers plenty of counterexamples where violence did make some change come about.
I'm not sure I agree with you, Lira. Certainly, there are historical examples where violence has destroyed something allowing something else to be established in it's place; however, that's not changing an institution but replacing it. Of course, there are also plenty of historical examples where violence preceeded changes but the change itself was initiated internally with violence usually being a result of the resistance to change and then exacerbating the change that was already taking hold. Violence itself doesn't cause change... someone with influence and power must usher in the reform.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
It is required reading at least here in high school. I meant it in a a very broad sense. "Big Brother is watching" is a very common portrayal of England here in terms of the way it can be portrayed in our media. We hear so much about the CCTV cameras everywhere. You don't think nothing will change to make the population more "watched"?
It is an honest question. You live there, I don't.
I really don't care. Do you think my life is any different with the cameras than it would be otherwise? CCTV only monitors public places, and I don't break the law or conduct private matters in public.
