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Occupy Movement (support or against?) (pg. 6)
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| GGM |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
of course they are, if you think they don't want a bigger share of the "economical" pie, you're slightly clueless, my friend |
I think they are proposing economic fairness and equality from what I've seen (from them, not the media or opposition). I've never seen anything along the lines of "we don't want to work for money, but give it to us anyways.". The last company I worked for (an American based one) in the midst of the recession went through mass layoffs, pay cuts/freezes but yet dividend payouts rose. With the layoffs and pressure most people ended up having to work more but we made the same or less than before meanwhile the owner's revenue increased. There's a huge difference between being upset with something like that and the lazy greed that people are claiming they support.
Overall I'd say the biggest detriment they've faced by not having clear goals/messages is that it's really let the opposition make false ones up for them.
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Again, key differences between the US and Canada.
Are the people at St James protesting the US financial system? Who knows, since they don't have any sort of unified, agreed upon, well communicated message. |
Totally. I couldn't tell you either to be honest. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
I doubt it's 50/50. I'm confident that the poll will show that the majority of users are in support. |
There's still time?
Maybe you can rally the masses to show up and vote. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
so do the people who are "against" the movement think our financial system is totally fair & awesome? lol |
what do you consider to be wrong with the financial system? |
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| love_child |
| quote: | Originally posted by timmyboy
No they wont. Lets take internet as an example (because Rogers is a good example of making a profit all the time or almost all the time). You will probably pay $60 bux for internet. Would you pay $100? probably but you wouldnt like it.$200? most likely not.
Same thing with TVs at some point if you think the price is too high then maybe its best not to own a TV (btw prices for electronics have been dropping steadily since they started making them).
Now if the company decides to gouge the customers and they are still buying the product then either they have the cash in which case this does not concern them, or they shouldn't be owning that product and maybe they should check for an alternative (whether it be not owning a product or getting a lesser name brand) |
I still think millions of people around the world are living far beyond their means and buying everything on credit and taking out loans to buy that car they always wanted. Plastic over paper these days so it doesnt matter how high the companies mark items at because they know that people will buy. Why do you think most Americans are in the situation they are in today... I guess we should just blame the banks |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by love_child
I still think millions of people around the world are living far beyond their means and buying everything on credit and taking out loans to buy that car they always wanted. Plastic over paper these days so it doesnt matter how high the companies mark items at because they know that people will buy. Why do you think most Americans are in the situation they are in today... I guess we should just blame the banks |
the whole existence of western society is based around that. If every single person was responsible with how the spend money then our economies would probably be a 5th of the size they are right now, and millions more would be jobless because there wouldn't be such high demand to produce and sell the products.
Hell...half of the people on this board wouldn't have jobs because the companies they work for wouldn't require their services.
Second: the idiots using the arguments "Go get a job" need to ing clue in. In case you haven't noticed we're in a recession, and despite the fact that Canada is managing to get through it better than most countries we're still greatly affected by the simple fact that we're right next to the USA and A LOT of our business is with them. This simple fact affects our economy and job situation as well. I know it may be hard to understand since most of you already have a job, but they don't just grow on ing trees or sold at Wal-Mart. |
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by GGM
Overall I'd say the biggest detriment they've faced by not having clear goals/messages is that it's really let the opposition make false ones up for them. |
Definitely |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by GGM
I think they are proposing economic fairness and equality from what I've seen (from them, not the media or opposition). I've never seen anything along the lines of "we don't want to work for money, but give it to us anyways.". The last company I worked for (an American based one) in the midst of the recession went through mass layoffs, pay cuts/freezes but yet dividend payouts rose. With the layoffs and pressure most people ended up having to work more but we made the same or less than before meanwhile the owner's revenue increased. There's a huge difference between being upset with something like that and the lazy greed that people are claiming they support.
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The opposition needs to have this tattooed on their foreheads. This movement has nothing to do with a bunch of lazy s who just want a bigger share of the riches. It's people who want a more balanced system, and not one where CEO's are getting retarded raises and bonuses year in and year out, yet they're still cutting jobs down by the thousands because the company might not be "profitable" (which is bull too, because the company will still be profitable, except instead of making 100 million it'll make say...70 million). |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
The opposition needs to have this tattooed on their foreheads. This movement has nothing to do with a bunch of lazy s who just want a bigger share of the riches. It's people who want a more balanced system, and not one where CEO's are getting retarded raises and bonuses year in and year out, yet they're still cutting jobs down by the thousands because the company might not be "profitable" (which is bull too, because the company will still be profitable, except instead of making 100 million it'll make say...70 million). |
To me, "more balanced" sounds like they want more, and they want the executives to have less. No? |
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| Vivid Boy |
Also those employees get to punch out at the end of the day and go home and forget about there jobs for a while. They're trading in there time for money. The CEO doesn't get that same luxury and has a lot more to risk if the company goes up and he gets compensated for that extra risk and extra responsibility. We live in a risk/reward society, you don't want to take the risk and want to just punch in and punch out...then don't bitch
Sounds to me like you want to play the game without playing the game...sorry there's no game genie in life. |
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| love_child |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
CEO's are getting retarded raises and bonuses year in and year out |
And dont forget stock options |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by love_child
And dont forget stock options |
Ya ughhh that's called an incentive. Ceo's tend to work a lot harder and go beyond n above when they have a stake in the company. Those are usually issued out by the stakeholders and investors. |
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| feelgood |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
not one where CEO's are getting retarded raises and bonuses year in and year out, yet they're still cutting jobs down by the thousands because the company might not be "profitable" (which is bull too, because the company will still be profitable, except instead of making 100 million it'll make say...70 million). |
That last line reflects your misunderstanding of how basic business principle works.
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