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Pursuing your dreams/goals and achieving them. (pg. 3)
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Right, all of the little vagaries everyone can agree to, but many are too proud to admit a shortage of, to themselves. If you really believe active responsibility is congruent to achievement, then I think it's unavoidable that you must not excuse any supposed obliviousness as a passive trait, but rather the impediment of egocentricity as the root cause.
My point with the questions was that everyone squanders their time, though not everyone suffers for it unilaterally. I don't care what your reasons were, merely that you had developed them from some stimulus that most everyone is susceptible to. 'Those that get what they want' is a rather devoid way of putting it, I feel, and to go along with what others have said, "deserving" is also quite a bull term. For better or for worse.
People get what they get is an equally useless adage. |
You're reading way too far into it. All I'm saying is that getting what one wants isn't impossible, or even difficult. The only people who never seem to get what they (say) they want, are the ones who aren't willing to accept that nothing is owed to them that they can't make happen for themselves. I really believe that (for the most part, of course there are exceptions) if a person has specific goals, knows what they have to do to attain such goals, and puts in the work to achieve them - then they will get what they want. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
You're reading way too far into it. All I'm saying is that getting what one wants isn't impossible, or even difficult. The only people who never seem to get what they (say) they want, are the ones who aren't willing to accept that nothing is owed to them that they can't make happen for themselves. I really believe that (for the most part, of course there are exceptions) if a person has specific goals, knows what they have to do to attain such goals, and puts in the work to achieve them - then they will get what they want. |
As someone who should be dead right now, I think you're wrong. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Sure if your only goal in life is to stay alive, which is pretty ing stupid. |
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
You're reading way too far into it. All I'm saying is that getting what one wants isn't impossible, or even difficult. The only people who never seem to get what they (say) they want, are the ones who aren't willing to accept that nothing is owed to them that they can't make happen for themselves. I really believe that (for the most part, of course there are exceptions) if a person has specific goals, knows what they have to do to attain such goals, and puts in the work to achieve them - then they will get what they want. |
Actually, this is unfortunately incorrect. A lot of people can achieve their goals if they put their mind to it, but by the same token, a lot of people have 'accidents' (children) early in life by not wrapping it up or just being unlucky with the condom. Of course, this can be avoided, but people who have children early in life put their own goals on hold while they raise them. So they have to settle for crap jobs that nobody wants, and can't better themselves because they're too busy taking care of others. Individualism can only go so far.
Would you also consider that some people aren't intelligent enough to attain their own goals? For instance, I consider myself to be a very intelligent person, and my original goal was to work for Intel. I had like 9 interviews with different people there but was ultimately not hired. I put my mind to it and did everything I could, but at the end of the day, I didn't have enough experience and I failed. I'm in a very good position with my work right now, but previously I tried my best to get what I wanted and didn't get it. |
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| Arbiter |
Some people are talented, but most people aren't. I think that explains most of it, to be honest.
Hard work usually can raise a typical person from being worthless to merely mediocre, but any noteworthy level of success seems to require a level of raw ability that most people simply don't have in them. I've spent a good portion of my life watching people pour their blood, sweat, and tears into trying to accomplish things that to me are as trivial as tying my shoes.
As for attitude, I tend to think that the causation goes the other direction: people whose efforts tend to be met with success develop a favorable attitude for precisely that reason, whereas those who continually fail and struggle naturally develop an attitude reflective of their frustrations. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| I never learned how to tie my shoes, you insensitive prick! :mad: |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
Actually, this is unfortunately incorrect. A lot of people can achieve their goals if they put their mind to it, but by the same token, a lot of people have 'accidents' (children) early in life by not wrapping it up or just being unlucky with the condom. Of course, this can be avoided, but people who have children early in life put their own goals on hold while they raise them. So they have to settle for crap jobs that nobody wants, and can't better themselves because they're too busy taking care of others. Individualism can only go so far. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Silky Johnson
(for the most part, of course there are exceptions) |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
Would you also consider that some people aren't intelligent enough to attain their own goals? For instance, I consider myself to be a very intelligent person, and my original goal was to work for Intel. I had like 9 interviews with different people there but was ultimately not hired. I put my mind to it and did everything I could, but at the end of the day, I didn't have enough experience and I failed. I'm in a very good position with my work right now, but previously I tried my best to get what I wanted and didn't get it. |
Absolutely. |
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| Intellekshual |
At the risk of making people let out a primordial scream, I have no set goals. It's absolutely liberating, and contrary to what you might have been taught, it absolutely doesn't mean you stop achieving things. It just means you stop letting yourself be limited by goals. The journey is what matters to me. The destination is beside the point.
But contrary to your friend, I recognize that life doesn't owe me a thing.
To answer your original question, I think the following is required: Courage, passion, aptitude, charm.. and yes, luck (we may not have the same definition of that word, though). |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Ah yes, courage. I'll agree with that as well. Courage to take perceived risks, courage to change, courage to fail, courage to start over, courage to succeed! etc. Very important! |
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| wienerschnitzel |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
Actually, this is unfortunately incorrect. A lot of people can achieve their goals if they put their mind to it, but by the same token, a lot of people have 'accidents' (children) early in life by not wrapping it up or just being unlucky with the condom. Of course, this can be avoided, but people who have children early in life put their own goals on hold while they raise them. So they have to settle for crap jobs that nobody wants, and can't better themselves because they're too busy taking care of others. Individualism can only go so far. |
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| Lira |
| Do you really think the environment doesn't count, Jenny? This is a condensed version of my first post, since you seem to have ignored it :mad: |
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| Meat187 |
Jenny, you're saying that if Nou made it his goal to be the most popular COR poster and worked really hard he could achieve it. Think about that one again.
Edit: lol, I noticed I said the same thing as Lira. Only in a way that's not tl;dr and altogether more awesome. :p |
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