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| Normie |
I hate dragging politics into a music board, but this is one subject that can do us all serious damage.
First off, once upon a time, people in America got behind the TSA and thought it was a good idea. Today, the TSA is now used to police high school proms, private events and more. They are currently in talks with congress to FURTHER expand their 'authority".
I HATE pirates and personally think they should be thrown in jail as if they had stolen a car or robbed a 7-11. But the LAST thing any of us want is SOPA giving police the authority it would. This is a 'slippery slope' with a pit of spikes at the bottom.
Now, look at the people behind it, where their money comes from and the political party where MOST of that money goes to to buy what they want made law. Hint - It ain't Sara Palin or the Tea Party folks that people love claiming are 'anti-freedom'. Chris Dodd, of the MPAA, is not a Right winger. Look it up for yourselves.
Perhaps people should have a much harder look as to who is really standing for what. The 'common knowledge' is far from what is happening out there.
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
That sums it up nicely, 2 things you forgot:
- you can use other people's songs, but credit and pay them
- you also need to pay for the tools your using if you really want it to count. :D |
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| Raphie |
Normie, i'm not involved in US politics, but you are probably right, the wrong people might be making the money here and i hear you on the slippery rope thing.
So, let's agree that whatever happens it needs to be sane and protect "the internet" from everything that SOPA potentially could break down.
2 questions there:
- do you consider digital piracy a problem?
- If yes, do we need to do someting about it? or is it just an artifact of time and age? and a prelude of a more sharing and caring / trade (a.k.a. money as depth)future? :D
| quote: | Originally posted by Normie
I hate dragging politics into a music board, but this is one subject that can do us all serious damage.
First off, once upon a time, people in America got behind the TSA and thought it was a good idea. Today, the TSA is now used to police high school proms, private events and more. They are currently in talks with congress to FURTHER expand their 'authority".
I HATE pirates and personally think they should be thrown in jail as if they had stolen a car or robbed a 7-11. But the LAST thing any of us want is SOPA giving police the authority it would. This is a 'slippery slope' with a pit of spikes at the bottom.
Now, look at the people behind it, where their money comes from and the political party where MOST of that money goes to to buy what they want made law. Hint - It ain't Sara Palin or the Tea Party folks that people love claiming are 'anti-freedom'. Chris Dodd, of the MPAA, is not a Right winger. Look it up for yourselves.
Perhaps people should have a much harder look as to who is really standing for what. The 'common knowledge' is far from what is happening out there. |
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| Normie |
Hi Raphie,
I absolutely 100% feel that all piracy is a problem.
The problem with US law is that versions of it get 'adopted' by other countries. The US State Dept uses our laws as a hammer against others for foreign policy. Sometimes that can be a good thing (in the case of slavery/terrorism/Sudan scenarios) and sometimes it it a total disaster on a global scale. Our last batch wasn't too hot, but the current crop is insane.
First and foremost, Laws exist today that can be brought to bear on piracy that simply sit idle because the 'right people' do not profit from them. Hollywood can leverage SOPA laws to use as that hammer but they cannot profit from a simple 'possession of stolen goods' laws that 100% apply right now. So they spend millions pushing for a law that lets government act as their collection agency and enforcement squad.
Before new laws are 'needed,' current laws need to be enforced and if copyright holders value their IP, it it up to them to file the complaints/prosecute offenders individually or class action. The SOPA way makes criminals of you, me and the rest of us by default. That scares the hell out of me. And again, follow the money to see who REALLY 'profits'.
Companies like you tube already pull totally legit songs the RIAA FALSELY claims copyright over...when those songs are the 100% property of non-RIAA members. Same for Bars and music liscencing. SOPA style laws encourage/reinforce that kind of thing. It's just a nightmare every way you look at it.
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
Normie, i'm not involved in US politics, but you are probably right, the wrong people might be making the money here and i hear you on the slippery rope thing.
So, let's agree that whatever happens it needs to be sane and protect "the internet" from everything that SOPA potentially could break down.
2 questions there:
- do you consider digital piracy a problem?
- If yes, do we need to do someting about it? or is it just an artifact of time and age? and a prelude of a more sharing and caring / trade (a.k.a. money as depth)future? :D |
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| Normie |
Edit: Our last batch of POLITICIANS wasn't so hot. The cirrent crop is insane.
| quote: | Originally posted by Normie
Hi Raphie,
I absolutely 100% feel that all piracy is a problem.
The problem with US law is that versions of it get 'adopted' by other countries. The US State Dept uses our laws as a hammer against others for foreign policy. Sometimes that can be a good thing (in the case of slavery/terrorism/Sudan scenarios) and sometimes it it a total disaster on a global scale. Our last batch wasn't too hot, but the current crop is insane.
First and foremost, Laws exist today that can be brought to bear on piracy that simply sit idle because the 'right people' do not profit from them. Hollywood can leverage SOPA laws to use as that hammer but they cannot profit from a simple 'possession of stolen goods' laws that 100% apply right now. So they spend millions pushing for a law that lets government act as their collection agency and enforcement squad.
Before new laws are 'needed,' current laws need to be enforced and if copyright holders value their IP, it it up to them to file the complaints/prosecute offenders individually or class action. The SOPA way makes criminals of you, me and the rest of us by default. That scares the hell out of me. And again, follow the money to see who REALLY 'profits'.
Companies like you tube already pull totally legit songs the RIAA FALSELY claims copyright over...when those songs are the 100% property of non-RIAA members. Same for Bars and music liscencing. SOPA style laws encourage/reinforce that kind of thing. It's just a nightmare every way you look at it. |
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