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Sopa / Pipa (pg. 7)
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| Kysora |
^^^ It's things like that which make me scratch my head whenever I see people like Raphie bash piracy as a universally evil, criminal activity that directly hurts the poor companies trying to sell their .
Nobody really considers the fact that the alternative, which is paying money for these products, is putting money in the pockets of companies which are blatantly ripping people off, and couldn't give a about the consumer. So why should I care about them?
I could pay $60 for a game from EA and wait a week for it to ship (or go to the store to pick it up). Once I get it, I can install it on three computers, before the DRM protection in the CD basically renders it useless, and I can no longer use the product I PAID for, in the way it's intended to be used. After going through advertisements, bypassing the toolbars it tries to install on my computer, I can finally play the game, but only if I'm logged into the internet at all times, even if I'm playing single-player. If I disconnect, for any reason, the game will shut off and I'll lose anything I didn't save.
Or, I could download the ing thing for free, within an hour or two, install it quickly on as many systems as I want, and play it without having to be connected to the internet. But doing so labels me a "criminal" in the eyes of people who would rather side with companies who don't give a about customers who pay for their products. |
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| Raphie |
so basically you need all that text to say that you don't want to pay for products u use.:D (otherwise you would have bought the game to recognize the developers and still use the crack for convenience)
Money talks, bull walks.......
look at the people who wrote the blog.. FFS misunderstood gothic students. go camping with the occupy movement or something. leeching sideline moaners |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
^^^ It's things like that which make me scratch my head whenever I see people like Raphie bash piracy as a universally evil, criminal activity that directly hurts the poor companies trying to sell their .
Nobody really considers the fact that the alternative, which is paying money for these products, is putting money in the pockets of companies which are blatantly ripping people off, and couldn't give a about the consumer. So why should I care about them?
I could pay $60 for a game from EA and wait a week for it to ship (or go to the store to pick it up). Once I get it, I can install it on three computers, before the DRM protection in the CD basically renders it useless, and I can no longer use the product I PAID for, in the way it's intended to be used. After going through advertisements, bypassing the toolbars it tries to install on my computer, I can finally play the game, but only if I'm logged into the internet at all times, even if I'm playing single-player. If I disconnect, for any reason, the game will shut off and I'll lose anything I didn't save.
Or, I could download the ing thing for free, within an hour or two, install it quickly on as many systems as I want, and play it without having to be connected to the internet. But doing so labels me a "criminal" in the eyes of people who would rather side with companies who don't give a about customers who pay for their products. |
Noooo do not go down that road again. Only if you are Chinese and live in China you'd be mildly right since they hardly have any copyright and intellectual property laws. Just about any other country has sane copyright laws that make what you do illegal and enough do to some hard time in jail.
This topic was all about the implications overall on the freedom of speech and copyright of sopa and pipa.
And for your case, specifically, Kysora, nothing would really change other than you might have to look a bit harder for your downloads. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
Nobody really considers the fact that the alternative, which is paying money for these products, is putting money in the pockets of companies which are blatantly ripping people off, and couldn't give a about the consumer. So why should I care about them? |
Because you understand the strategic value of maintaining a moral high-ground. While it could be successfully argued that piracy is a smoke-screen for ulterior motives, the act is still a moral transgression and, as such, provides legitimacy for groups seeking to impose restrictions on the internet that go well beyond what is called for to disrupt simple piracy. |
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| Raphie |
| or they just can all cease to exist and thus stop developing and there will be nothing anymore for you to leech...... |
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| Storyteller |
| No, the consequences will be neither black, nor white. I don't want this topic to do down this road so if it continues I'll just close/delete it. |
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| EddieZilker |
I would point out that, included in the name of ACTA, which is threatening to become a world-wide treaty, is the word, Counterfitting. I have long held that is what is occurring when people pirate intellectual property. From an economic perspective it creates an unlimited supply of a good at a zero price and not everyone who generates intellectual property they'd like to receive money for is a greedy corporation.
I am not for PIPA, ACTA, SOPA, or SOPA 2.0, for that matter, however they are, in part, the result of people pirating intellectual property. You cannot claim victimization to such laws under the assumption that two wrongs make a right. Arguing that you're just stealing from greedy corporations who have rigged the system to their favor still admits that you are stealing, as well.
Again, I refer to my belief that there is actually strategic advantage to maintaining the moral high-ground. Claiming to be a victim when you have victimized others, rationalizing that offense in whatever way possible, doesn't line up with the ethical arguments against these intrusive, draconian laws. |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
so basically you need all that text to say that you don't want to pay for products u use.:D |
uh, that's not what I said at all.
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Because you understand the strategic value of maintaining a moral high-ground. While it could be successfully argued that piracy is a smoke-screen for ulterior motives, the act is still a moral transgression and, as such, provides legitimacy for groups seeking to impose restrictions on the internet that go well beyond what is called for to disrupt simple piracy. |
Agreed, but that's not really the point I was making -- I realize piracy is still illegal, and I'm not trying to justify that. I'm just saying, people get way too focused on what people are doing, and never consider why they're doing it in the first place. Companies like Steam have massive profits, because they offer a service that's actually more convenient than piracy, while still being fair to all parties involved, including the customer. There are ways to go about doing that, but most corporations/companies refuse to adapt to new technology.
I'm just trying to offer a different perspective than the one raphie's been spouting for how long now. Piracy isn't a good thing, but it wouldn't exist if the companies would focus on making their services worth it to their customers. |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Arguing that you're just stealing from greedy corporations who have rigged the system to their favor still admits that you are stealing, as well. |
I am, but I'd argue that the harm caused by what these corporations do is far greater than the harm caused by what pirates do. Especially if these corporations are introducing legislation to censor the internet, in a desperate attempt to prevent themselves from becoming obsolete. Which is, in many ways, already happening.
When I'm called a criminal for doing what I do, by people who don't even consider the above, it's a little insulting. The big picture is lost on a lot of people. |
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| EddieZilker |
| Storyteller, I hope you don't delete this thread and I'm content to leave the discussion where it is (i.e. no further rebuttals on piracy). I think all that has been said on piracy pretty much amounts to all that can be said. These bills, should they pass, are going to have an enormous impact on what each of us does - whether we're doing it in part, for money, or not. |
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