Originally posted by EddieZilker
It's a simplistic song with a catchy hook. Honestly, don't presume to have an understanding of my (or anyone else's) musical taste.
As for vintage technology - you failed to notice that I pointed out your touted "vintage technology" was inferior at the time it came out. If you did not fail to notice it, then you failed to understand. Inferior implies that there is a comparison to that which is superior and being that much older music technology was, in fact, superior in every way possible to the niggling bull technology you're touting, calling it "vintage" in no way confers legitimacy onto your bull proposal.
Very simply put, you don't know what in the you're talking about. You have suffered a common ailment of having a horrible idea; ergo, once again, you're absolutely ing clueless.
cryophonik
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Originally posted by dj_alfi
Haven't you seen Portlandia?
:haha:
Never seen that before. Oh , that song is going to be stuck in my head for a week. :whip:
dj_alfi
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Originally posted by cryophonik
:haha:
Never seen that before. Oh , that song is going to be stuck in my head for a week. :whip:
:stongue:
Since this thread has put me in such a good mood I'm gonna do you a solid one and put a new song in that noggin' of yours.
I know at least it's what's gonna be spinning around my mind ears today :)
zabrak999
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
It's a simplistic song with a catchy hook. Honestly, don't presume to have an understanding of my (or anyone else's) musical taste.
As for vintage technology - you failed to notice that I pointed out your touted "vintage technology" was inferior at the time it came out. If you did not fail to notice it, then you failed to understand. Inferior implies that there is a comparison to that which is superior and being that much older music technology was, in fact, superior in every way possible to the niggling bull technology you're touting, calling it "vintage" in no way confers legitimacy onto your bull proposal.
Very simply put, you don't know what in the you're talking about. You have suffered a common ailment of having a horrible idea; ergo, once again, you're absolutely ing clueless.
>antiquated sound-palette based on music technology that was stunningly inferior at the time it came out
this implies that the sounds off Kid A (or that track in particular) are 'inferior' because they sound 'old timey' (antiquated)
You can't backtrack and say that you thought the technology was inferior just when you compare to similar old technology, when you used words like 'antiquated'
learn the concept of consistency
and even if you were talking about older technology that was 'superior' to the older technology that Radiohead used, how is an ondes Martenot bad, again? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ondes_Martenot
Among other old instruments, as well.
Being critical because you the album went over your head is a bit silly
Looney4Clooney
lol
yup, the leitmotivs in Radioheads music are so ing complex and evolving. I dont dislike Radiohead , but their music isn't complex. And using a fancy theremin that found favour with turn of the century post tonal composers doens't make you like bansky. It might sound new to the layman but ya, aint nothing special going on there. Although in all fairness Eddie, it is an instrument that has its own sound that i wouldn't say is inferior or better, like a theremin, it is what it is.
to their credit, or maybe not as you tend to create the type of people that listen to your music to some degree, but radiohead is a tad pretentious. It is rock music. what that german nazi philosopher Adorno, actually he was more a commie, would call pseudo individualization. ie the same over and over with a new lipstick colour.
there is nothing complex going on. And their fans , along with anyone that listens to from montreal, arcade fire , anything indie from montreal actually, Michael Jackson post thriller except dirty diana and blood on the dancefloor, should be treated for severe hipsteritus. Wel the mj fans should be put in a max security kiddy buggery pen to reflect on their taste crimes.
zabrak999
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
lol
yup, the leitmotivs in Radioheads music are so ing complex and evolving. I dont dislike Radiohead , but their music isn't complex. And using a fancy theremin that found favour with turn of the century post tonal composers doens't make you like bansky. It might sound new to the layman but ya, aint nothing special going on there. Although in all fairness Eddie, it is an instrument that has its own sound that i wouldn't say is inferior or better, like a theremin, it is what it is.
to their credit, or maybe not as you tend to create the type of people that listen to your music to some degree, but radiohead is a tad pretentious. It is rock music. what that german nazi philosopher Adorno, actually he was more a commie, would call pseudo individualization. ie the same over and over with a new lipstick colour.
there is nothing complex going on. And their fans , along with anyone that listens to from montreal, arcade fire , anything indie from montreal actually, Michael Jackson post thriller except dirty diana and blood on the dancefloor, should be treated for severe hipsteritus. Wel the mj fans should be put in a max security kiddy buggery pen to reflect on their taste crimes.
But what you're not talking about music being complex here. We're just talking about it sounding different, really. And even when I said that, I wasn't talking about the track Idioteque in particular, rather Kid A as a whole. Indeed, there's nothing that sounds like Kid A before Kid A. Fact.
but while on the subject of complexity...You're talking about fanbases being ridiculous? You're starting to sound like a Metalhead. "This music isn't as complex as Generic extreme metal band #1234512341241 therefore that band is isn't worth my time" Exactly what you're doing
And even if the individual track Idioteque sounds similar to others...It's still a standout track
There's Autechre. Kind of sounds like Idioteque, but not really. Idiotque it definitely unique because of it
what's more amazing is that this track was done by A ROCK BAND. Absolutely brilliant. I doubt Aphex Twin could get a band together, learn to play the guitar, and create a genuinely great rock song
Looney4Clooney
you argued the value of complexity by stating it was over Eddie's head. Again, a common narrative for the douche bag Radiohead fan. And metal isn' really complicated either. I never made the argument good music is complex but if you are going to use that as an argument, i can and will run circles around your oblong ape like cranium. Your knowledge of music is like a tiny moon orbiting Saturn like mass which is my cock/music expertise/hate for poles.
And radiohead just did what others did before in a rock context. They didn't invent the universe. They were a rock band that got so into themselves that they convinced themselves they were at that level of pretention that their fans could and would stomach a repackaged mainstream stockhausen. Zappa 30 years later but more mainstream, less out there and more packaged for the mass market to eat up.
And i would say Aphex Twin is much more significant, he actually did new things. Where as radiohead, granted a good band compared to other just took things already done and put them together. Trent was doing the rock / electro thing way before. Radio head made it trendy as they were accessible. They were in no way trailblazers and they were always a a year or two behind the punch.
a side note. They are not the greatest musicians, they just sound good to you because the bar at which one must be these days as a musician is just so ing low.
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by zabrak999 >antiquated sound-palette based on music technology that was stunningly inferior at the time it came out
this implies that the sounds off Kid A (or that track in particular) are 'inferior' because they sound 'old timey' (antiquated)
You can't backtrack and say that you thought the technology was inferior just when you compare to similar old technology, when you used words like 'antiquated'
learn the concept of consistency
and even if you were talking about older technology that was 'superior' to the older technology that Radiohead used, how is an ondes Martenot bad, again? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ondes_Martenot
Among other old instruments, as well.
Being critical because you the album went over your head is a bit silly
I haven't back-tracked. You're just conflating two separate ideas presented in the same sentence. Honestly, you're not even keeping up with the conversation you started and have devolved into raising otherwise irrelevant tangents that only serve to confuse the issue.
I might not be done with this conversation but you, my friend, have checked out, completely.
dj_alfi
Bahahahahahahaha
zabrak999
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
you argued the value of complexity by stating it was over Eddie's head. Again, a common narrative for the douche bag Radiohead fan. And metal isn' really complicated either. I never made the argument good music is complex but if you are going to use that as an argument, i can and will run circles around your oblong ape like cranium. Your knowledge of music is like a tiny moon orbiting Saturn like mass which is my cock/music expertise/hate for poles.
And radiohead just did what others did before in a rock context. They didn't invent the universe. They were a rock band that got so into themselves that they convinced themselves they were at that level of pretention that their fans could and would stomach a repackaged mainstream stockhausen. Zappa 30 years later but more mainstream, less out there and more packaged for the mass market to eat up.
And i would say Aphex Twin is much more significant, he actually did new things. Where as radiohead, granted a good band compared to other just took things already done and put them together. Trent was doing the rock / electro thing way before. Radio head made it trendy as they were accessible. They were in no way trailblazers and they were always a a year or two behind the punch.
a side note. They are not the greatest musicians, they just sound good to you because the bar at which one must be these days as a musician is just so ing low.
Something could go over your head in a variety of ways.
not complex, but can still take multiple listens to digest
As far as Metal is concerned, you wouldn't have an ear for music to think progressive Metal, for example, isn't complex. You can't claim to be well versed in complex music yet say something pants-on-head-retarded like 'metal isn't complex'
Zappa, Velvet Underground, whoever else made 'out there' music. I'm saying Radiohead were the first one to successfully make a good sounding ELECTRONIC song. Industrial is elctronic influenced, but it obviously isn't IDM, like Idioteque was. Feel free to try again to downplay that significance of that song, though.
Aphex Twin is obviously more significant, since they influenced them to make that song in the first place, nobody is denying that. But the fact that Idioteque can be a standout track and play with other IDM artists is astonishing, considering it's from a rock band.
zabrak999
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
I haven't back-tracked. You're just conflating two separate ideas presented in the same sentence. Honestly, you're not even keeping up with the conversation you started and have devolved into raising otherwise irrelevant tangents that only serve to confuse the issue.
I might not be done with this conversation but you, my friend, have checked out, completely.
you called the instruments 'inferior'. I assumed you were talking about how they're inferior to newer ones. And you said 'no no no they were inferior to even the older technologies!', so I made my post by calling you an idiot. Even the George Clooney fanboy disagrees with you in one of his earlier posts.
dj_alfi
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Originally posted by zabrak999
Something could go over your head in a variety of ways.
not complex, but can still take multiple listens to digest
As far as Metal is concerned, you wouldn't have an ear for music to think progressive Metal, for example, isn't complex. You can't claim to be well versed in complex music yet say something pants-on-head-retarded like 'metal isn't complex'
Zappa, Velvet Underground, whoever else made 'out there' music. I'm saying Radiohead were the first one to successfully make a good sounding ELECTRONIC song. Industrial is elctronic influenced, but it obviously isn't IDM, like Idioteque was. Feel free to try again to downplay that significance of that song, though.
Aphex Twin is obviously more significant, since they influenced them to make that song in the first place, nobody is denying that. But the fact that Idioteque can be a standout track and play with other IDM artists is astonishing, considering it's from a rock band.
