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this is what u make producing trance (pg. 11)
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| Looney4Clooney |
| They couldn't be this ing overt with how little they care. I mean this is just ridiculous. I mean it angers me that they are ing people over, but even more so that they do it in such a transparent way. I mean not even a , we will look into it form mail. This is something i would probably pay someone to start breaking knee caps over. It is just disgusting. And that guy who has such little disregard for people doesn't deserve his 2 legs. |
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| MSZ |
| Im just pasting the emails word by word. I complained then they sent me the statement. But , thats not how you treat people. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| is mistique your current label ? |
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| MSZ |
| Yea it is run by nice people right now, I trust them anyway. Im easy to trust though. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by MSZ
Im just pasting the emails word by word. I complained then they sent me the statement. But , thats not how you treat people. |
Do you have the name of the guy. Or is it a one man show. Surely there must be more than you out there. |
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| MSZ |
| I dont know who he/she was working from the bonzai label. screw em. There are a ton of labels not paying anything to their artists from what I hear from producers around my level. I believe bonzai pays and they're pretty legit; there are a few producers on these boards signed with them. |
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| meriter |
wow that's amazing
I have a little story to tell which I will lay out if I don't hear back from these guys within 5 days
But really, that is ing amazing. Producers are like "here, make money off of this for me! Thanks!" and that's the kind of attitude you get in return...
There should be some kind of producers guild/union |
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| meriter |
| $200 minimum payout is just.... dafuq? Was that in the contract? |
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| MSZ |
| I dont think that was the actual number, It was 2 years ago, I cant recall it. I think it was lower but I cant remember. I probably shouldn't of had posted that, it doesn't solve anything and generates more negativity. Sorry. |
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| Lolo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MSZ
I had a remix with bonzai, I didnt have a clue about anything at the time being fresh as fuck, I asked them for information, they were ing cunts. let me find the email.
le me:
le bonzai:
I believe they had like a 200 dollar payout minimum or something.
yea suck my dick. |
I'm sorry but what you're posting here is not the truth.
the minimum payout for royalty with my label was maximum! 75 $/euros and not 200. That would be ridiculous in the digital era. We even allow lower payouts out of experience, esp with artists like you who live far away. It's never been even close to 100. Nowadays we even paypal 25/26$ sometimes.
I see just a fraction of your e-mail exchange in the post and I'll be eager to read, in a few hours when my colleagues wake up, the full e-mail exchange then if you don't mind. we have nothing to hide anyway. And if you feel unhappy with our e-mail communication, well you see me a bit sad.
What I know is that what any gets from them is 100% the income they should get, while with labels like mine, they get royalty and then also their author rights, ASSUMING THEY ARE ATTACHED TO THEIR LOCAL AUTHOR RIGHTS COMPANY. Which means if you didn't subscribe to the local company in Canada, a country that applies the rules of the Bern convention, then you are yourself responsible of your loss of income/author rights, as they hold it for 3 years for you and then put it into their own accounting. We (vinyl/cd)/iTunes pay publishing for example, I know out of experience that many others don't (beatport), but those author rights companies get also money for you when fm/air (not web) radios play your stuff (they should). Not getting attached to an author rights company is in fact... not very legal either, but the situation for example in Georgia (not the state) is clearly different, and those peeps get the gross of their income off portals who don't pay author rights. Still, we're working on addressing the issue with Mistique Music.
I keep saying this, but people blame us for not paying them as much in some situations, but they don't get their author right due to no subscription to the local company. There is nothing we can do, as we MUST dissociate publishing/author rights and sales income according to the european laws.
If you're fine with Mistique... that's just great for you and for them. Mistique is a valuable bunch of enthusiasts and I've worked a lot with them in the last few months, and I'll keep doing it as they need a lot of help.
Now another thing, calling a c*nt a guy a like me who happens to distribute your stuff (among others) on several portals (beatport among others), trying to fix the MESS of the other distributors with your label, trying to help your Mistique mates getting better income (which apparently works) by making decisions, changing things that affect their sales, playing your stuff every now and then into his radio shows and gigs everywhere... Well this is what I'd call unfair. No matter what, I'll keep playing and supporting you anyway. I know I wasn't in the line of fire. But your posts result only in collateral damage, in other words, the artist here, having to pay for that, because he happens to run Banshee Worx too.
I wouldn't even mind commenting if you were only unsatisfied with our services, we had so many, but fact is that you've posted wrong information on a public forum, that needed correction.
I'll let the guys at my other partner labels have a read at your post here too as you see us not even mad, but only sad with this situation. Today we provide other labels with our services, labels I see your name on too. You are a good artist for sure, but business wise, it's very clear to me that you need a lot more guidance. By asking me for more advice by e-mail/skype whatever you would have had this at no extra charge at all and avoid yourself the waste of energy posting negativity.
I'll contact Levan about this, but no worries, positively.
To finish things off, keep in mind that this digital distribution thing barely generates income so far for me, so I'm not getting rich on anyone here. Let's hope it's clear enough.
Back on topic,
I saw someone unhappy with a 35% royalty generating less income that expected. Whatever the label is: it might be normal if your track/remix was part of a compilation with a lower street price. your contract says 35% on NET income. Example: if the compilation of 20 sold 500 bundles at 4.99. You get
500x 4.99/20 MINUS portal percentage (30%) and you effectively get 35% of that. That is normal. In this case: 6 cents.
Be at least happy that the label don't cross license between two sister companies in order to pay 50% less royalty on each sale, and believe it or not, I saw it happen many many times the last few years, and no one did even complain here.
Anyone having business trouble or questions can come to me anytime and I'll reply. Keep in mind that I have no access to your sales figures though.
If you want my skype here it is: laurentveronnez in a single word.
May I remind you that if I run a label, I get the same income as you guys do? Even big guns don't get much more. Some think they do but all in all... |
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| MSZ |
| I stated it was probably the wrong figure. sorry if it was half that. That wasnt the issue though. This was my first legit remix and I asked nicely for information. |
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