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| Deillon |
| quote: | Originally posted by PassiePassion
So the song doesn't even have to be a good one.
As long as the promotion is good it will sell. |
I think your music is , does this make your music ? |
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| PassiePassion |
| quote: | Originally posted by Deillon
I think your music is , does this make your music ? |
To you it does looking at your opinion.
Thats the great thing with taste. hahaha
I am however curious to see your toilet now
Will be a colourful dump there in your house :haha: |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
Why not just make the stuff that sounds good to you, rather than copy cat techno? |
I don't copy techno, I make what feels right to me. Like with your though, it's hard to sound different.:rolleyes: |
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| Excess |
playing catchup in the thrad
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i mean that is great and all but there seems to be the missing link between that and people buying the tracks. DJ support is overrated. Especially the ones that don't play and name. That is why shows like say the one Gareth does actually doing producers a favour by playing the track and naming the track as opposed the the 1 hour mix with a track list which you have no idea which track is playing when. Those podcasts do nothing to increase sales. |
i agree that there is definitely a missing link between playlisting and support for artist releases, but it does seem to do an artist a solid boost in sales if it's playlisted on ASOT or TATW (you can pretty much see by Beatport sales how much a difference this makes, especially for smaller labels). even going by youtube hits, those shows get so many rips uploaded. DJ support (from bigger names) is definitely beneficial for exposure and seemingly sales as well
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
What you really need to do is create a vocal track that can crossover into the mainstream. Otherwise it'll only ever be pocket money. |
i definitely agree here. rare to see instrumental tracks do truly well unless the artist has already built a huge name for themselves |
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| Deillon |
| quote: | Originally posted by PassiePassion
To you it does looking at your opinion.
Thats the great thing with taste. hahaha |
Yeah, this was my point, you say that bad music gets sold anyhow, but that's just you thinking it's bad music. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Why has the middle ground completely disappeared?
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Ah, this phenoneman is being seen in many arenas. In the UK, loads of small and middle sized food / clothes firms have gone because those at the top got very good at dominating the retail space.
Isn't this music evolution this a bit like globalisation where the few dominate? There used to be lots of smaller mpizza places round here, but now the Dominoes franchise has just about killed em all off.
In other words those at the top have gotten really good at extracting every last penny from the market. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
I don't copy techno, I make what feels right to me. |
Everyone copies someone.
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
Like with your though, it's hard to sound different.:rolleyes: |
What are your ideas to make it sound different? |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
Ah, this phenoneman is being seen in many arenas. In the UK, loads of small and middle sized food / clothes firms have gone because those at the top got very good at dominating the retail space.
Isn't this music evolution this a bit like globalisation where the few dominate? There used to be lots of smaller mpizza places round here, but now the Dominoes franchise has just about killed em all off.
In other words those at the top have gotten really good at extracting every last penny from the market. |
the trend in music would show the opposite. I mean you couldn't actually make an album let alone a career without major label support in the 70s. |
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| tehlord |
You know the chase to be different is overrated in my opinion.
Why not concentrate on being good instead?
There's that tedious old argument that Deadmau5 ripped somebody else off. Who cares? I heard it, it was great, I bought it.
In fact Random Album Title is the last physical media I bought.
Anyway
Almost the second you're different somebody else will come along and do it better anyway, so just do what you like doing and make it ing rock. Chasing the trend won't work as everybody else is doing it. Dudes like Neelix make the same kind of thing over and over again, but he does it so well that his fanbase remains intact. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
everyone copies. I think having an identiy is the difference. Deadmau5 sounds like deadmau5. Even tho he changes, he sounds like deadmau5. That comes with knowing what hou like, and knowing what you don't like. SOunds simple but most people don't really have a strong sense of self. Most people don't really have clear cut defined tastes and that is required to sound like something that is unique to you.
Copying is not really the term. You are taking something you like, and putting it in your own context. That is different that using the same thing in the same context. Can't think of any artist that could argue his ideas are his own. The best way to learn and develop your style is to seek out as much music as you can and snag what you like. Every great artist did this. |
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| PassiePassion |
| quote: | Originally posted by Deillon
Yeah, this was my point, you say that bad music gets sold anyhow, but that's just you thinking it's bad music. |
No you interpret that in a wrong way then.
You will NEVER see me posting a comment like that anywhere.
I wont ever say that a song is bad if someone posts his-her music.
I will always try to give constructive opinions.
A song can't be bad imo cos it's the persons creativity.
Some songs i just don't feel anything ,no emotion ,only sound.
And then it's not my taste ,but i wont say it's
If i don't understand what they are trying to tell with their song
Then it's me not understanding their poetry ,not me saying its .
What i meant in the post above is
A hit can be created and most are
It's not always about earning it cos of the quality
You as artist are a BRAND
And with the right promotion you can sell anything
I even gave an example
The 538 dance smash was bought in that way 10 years ago
Ask around and you'll know i'm not just thinking this up
Thats just how it works ,not my opinion.
For the Dutch
On TV you saw Dewy when her album was presented she got a nomination.
At that nomination she herself made the mistake by saying the price was bought
More known artists have explained that it works that way ,thats not fairytale
I'll look if i can find the vid on youtube then i'll add it later to show.
*Why was it bought ?
At the tv show everybody heard that it got a nomination , so sheeple all bought it.
Cos then they can't be the one who does not have it
If it's got a price then the listeners want to hear it
Thus the dj's need to buy it to be able to play it
Hit building is promotion.
WHY do you think And when the rain begins to fall-Pia Sadora-Jermaine Jackson was such a huge hit ?
Pia sadora is super rich so that product had enough promotion money and became a world hit
Not saying it was a bad song , But that was a true bought hit to example one.
Old Trick:
Press 4000 vinyl
To Shops 2000
To Trash 2000
Tell to sales you sold 4000
4000 copies meant you were in hitparade thus got exposure
I wish it was about taste
The studio where i worked had an owner who taught me a lot.
She is singer-rapper and is signed by BMG
And she has been on various tv shows and performances [Op Volle Toeren]
In her studio many of the IT album songs have been created
And i've been to various big labels myself over the years as well
So i know how it works am not talking from my butt ,but am trying to give hope
What does a member gain by us saying their music is ?
Nothing ,so then you don't contribute in his-her possible success.
I rather explain how it works in commercial world so they don't think their bad if they don't sell enough.
That might inspire ,putting others down is only depressing those who are unsure about themselves.
I don't understand why the heck some folks out there seem to kick on talking others down here.
Your messing up the friendly atmosphere we've had here for years
And why ?
Doesn't it give you a better kick if you managed to be helpful ?
Come one WHY THE HECK so god damn negative dudes ?
I'm not here to brag ,got nothing to brag about ,am even disabled now.
I'm here to try and share what i learned over the years
And help the dudes here to avoid falling in the same traps i fell in.
I rather prevent it for them than say heck i had to endure it ,,,
So let them learn the hard way too
Thats not me i try to prevent , hope that makes it clear :crazy: |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by PassiePassion
Doesn't it give you a better kick if you managed to be helpful ?
Come one WHY THE HECK so god damn negative dudes ?
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Yeah, the negative attitudes here totally suck. And, you'll notice that the people who consistently post snide and pointless remarks are the ones who usually have nothing helpful to offer. It's a shame, too, because I talk regularly with some of the talented and knowledgeable guys that used to post here regularly, but won't even waste their time anymore because of all the immature personalities. |
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