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this is what u make producing trance (pg. 13)
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| MSZ |
| You are not alone M, there is an artist here that did a EP for Armada, he didnt get a cent, It may even have a vinyl im not sure. Those tricky bastards have like a 15 page contract right? |
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| Storyteller |
By word of mouth I've heard the Armada statements are solid, sent out regularly and on-time. There's a sister company in the same office though (Cloud 9). Can't tell you many good things about them.
Last time I've talked about Armada contracts with some signed artists they weren't very positive either. Mostly due to the certain aspects of the default contract Armada provided at the time. Like signing over exlusive rights on all artist merchandise. |
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| MiikkaLeinonen |
| quote: | Originally posted by MSZ
You are not alone M, there is an artist here that did a EP for Armada, he didnt get a cent, It may even have a vinyl im not sure. Those tricky bastards have like a 15 page contract right? |
Thats interesting. It means biggest company in the industry doesnt pay for artist?? |
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| Lolo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
that man,
apology or not, to be treated like that shows how ing incompetent and idiotic these people are. Even the ing mafia has a little more caprice than this . But i'm pretty sure the guy running label, was high of his when replying. IT just sucks you don't live in the same city. I would take him to court just so he has to spend money he would rather spend on coke.
This is why EDM producers don't make money, If this is a large label, imagine the ing clowns running the medium size ones. Just a big cluster of morons. |
Okay, I'm still hoping that there's a little bit good sense in each of us, that's why you see me reply again.
I won't comment here on what you said. I'm just going to add my 2 cents, and you will make conclusions the way you want... Our friend MSZ got sent FOUR royalty statements on time (and I have evidence here on my desktop and sent that to him today still), on 15-10-2010, on 13-04-2011, on 18-10-2011, and on 16-04-2012. So far, those royalty statements are still marked as unread, yet they still remain into his account into our artist baseware. The money remains available if it reaches the payable amount, he sends us his payment instructions if needed, problem solved. My colleague's intention wasn't hurting msz here, I had a check, it's an internal ironic message to the royalty dept. that got leaked when forwarding, which explain apologies afterwards. You know why this irony between us happens? Because we get hundreds of guys who never check their papers, who don't apply for publishing then never get author rights, others who close their e-mail addresses and don't let us know, not to speak about address changes, then we have those who never read their e-mail with a little bit attention until they rant about not getting their money... on TA forums. You can imagine the mess they create on their own, then blame us for it... That's the reality of the edm business today. They all blame us but when they have to face their own mistakes, nobody shows up. The same story repeats over and over again.
Now to finish things off, I had a conversation with msz this morning. He admitted himself he's not that good with paperwork. Call my colleagues the way you want, fact is that their paperwork, their business state of affairs, and their annual balance are all clean and transparent. This ranting on the label I co-own and run today isn't very clean at all and based on incorrect or incomplete information. If you line up all posts about this, you can make your conclusions for yourself. I'm in peace with ourselves, we did what we had to and even more. And nope, I'm not even mad at msz or anyone else here. and I always stand up for constructive and positive discussion. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
Trust me, i could tell you stories that would make your squabbles seam so ing trite. Would give you a new sense of the word getting ed in the ass. The point is that not even these guys would be dumb enough to send an email like that. But this label did. And that is something you can't take back. It shows incompetency, it shows an utter you mentality to the people you over daily, and don't lie and say you don't, because you do. Ever label does and if you don't , then you need new management. But the difference between say , an idiot that sends this sort of email, and the that s you over but maintains a working relationship is that the guy doing it behind your back is probably competent enough to make people money. This is just insult to injury.
nope. there is nothing you could say that would change my opinion about the person that sent that email. It is inexcusable. And an apology 2 years after the fact to me is ing lip service. When you are ing people over , treating people like and your motive isn't money, that is just ed up. And that is why i find this particular outburst just vile.
Like you guys are just dicks because you are dicks. I mean we all know why you people act like dicks. You stopped making music people cared about, and that addiction is now pretty ing hard to support. EDM label owners are all drug snorting twats that still dress like they are in their 20s. This was a generalization. But i think you will find it pretty universal. Show me someone running an EDM label that isn't retarded and sporting a nasty coke habit and i will show you my junk. |
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| Storyteller |
Eelke Kleijn. Now show your junk and make MSZ's life perfect with your perfectty shaven masculinity.
Somehow I doubt anything we will mention would be considered valid. :)
Oh and online business 101: never try and sort out heated discussions through public media. Reach out publically to let the accusing party contact your company. Form theron always go for the personal approach. Email, phone, inviting him to the office, whatever.
It is hard to stand and watch your company (heart, soul, pride and joy) being bashed though, especially without defending yourself. |
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| MSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
Oh and online business 101: never try and sort out heated discussions through public media. Reach out publically to let the accusing party contact your company. Form theron always go for the personal approach. Email, phone, inviting him to the office, whatever.
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Bedroom producers like me have a lot to learn. For the record, I dont really care about those royalty statements there, I lost the urge to "check" them after checking the first time to find like 3 euro or so. Besides the incident happened about 2 years ago, thats why I havent followed up on them, I have no more care for that remix unfortunately. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
i've seen this over and over.
MSZ is nice, doesn't want to piss of people that are running things, and the people running things know this and use it against them. It is shameful. The people in charge should want to foster talent. It just drives me nuts when people that put time in effort into something lacking in reward and then have to deal with this. This sort of ******y is to be expected when there is alot of money being made. But come on, this is all ing indie.
If i ran a label, and someone did this to one of my artists, I would start dating said label's mom. I would go to bat, with a bat and you up. Because all my artists , my children my wittle bundles or creativity are special. Seriously tho, i would not want to ever see me in charge of a business that has the sort of capital where money buys things money should not be able to buy things. I would make sure say the guy that sent that email, would someone i paid without a condom and make sure he has AIDS. I would find out who supplies you your coke, i would lace it with some javex, and make you hurt real bad. You send my artist a mean email. I give you AIDS and with your coke. |
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| alanzo |
Oh, and by the way, I literally made $10 off my only vinyl release. That was awesome. That label was and continues to be . In the end, I'm not sure if the label just covered costs or dicked me over, but I got the $10 after repeated asking. At least it was something and I'm just proud to have the vinyl.
http://www.discogs.com/Johnson-Corb.../release/594697 |
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| MSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
Oh, and by the way, I literally made $10 off my only vinyl release. That was awesome. That label was and continues to be . In the end, I'm not sure if the label just covered costs or dicked me over, but I got the $10 after repeated asking. At least it was something and I'm just proud to have the vinyl.
http://www.discogs.com/Johnson-Corb.../release/594697 |
Cool, did they atleast send you a few records? I used to hang out in those guy's chat a few years ago. I forgot their collab name, they were pretty cool guys and they alluded many times they made quite a bit with royalties with a bunch of releases, I wont go into detail. I was happy for them. Sorry to hear though. |
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| meriter |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
At least it was something and I'm just proud to have the vinyl. |
word I'd settle for nothing if it meant getting a few copies of my own record. Release on vinyl or an advance (anything really) are the only incentives i can see to sign to a label, otherwise what is the point
maybe if they dropped the minimum payout completely. When you're unemployed and eating ramen like 3 nights a week $10 can change your life. But I get the feeling they woudln't make any money at all that way. |
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| alanzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MSZ
Cool, did they atleast send you a few records? |
Haha, nope, I had to buy the records myself off of eBay and a few other places. I have a regular and found a white label on ebay (pure luck). |
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