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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Excess
really good airplay on all the podcasts really, just depends on what type of track it is. AE is and has been doing quite well in terms of support from DJs |
i mean that is great and all but there seems to be the missing link between that and people buying the tracks. DJ support is overrated. Especially the ones that don't play and name. That is why shows like say the one Gareth does actually doing producers a favour by playing the track and naming the track as opposed the the 1 hour mix with a track list which you have no idea which track is playing when. Those podcasts do nothing to increase sales. |
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| tehlord |
| What you really need to do is create a vocal track that can crossover into the mainstream. Otherwise it'll only ever be pocket money. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| there are plenty of non vocal EDM tracks that make the pop charts. Well the UK and Europe pop charts. And as much as vocals will make something more palatable to more people, adding vocals to a turd will not sell more. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
there are plenty of non vocal EDM tracks that make the pop charts. Well the UK and Europe pop charts. And as much as vocals will make something more palatable to more people, adding vocals to a turd will not sell more. |
Thank god. This gives me hope. Most EDM vocals are just terrible, worse than cheese usa top 100 crap. |
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| tehlord |
There really aren't plenty of non vocal tracks that do well. Some do, but most include vocals.
And who cares if they're cheesy? This thread is about making money not changing the planet with deep music. Those days are dead and buried. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
And who cares if they're cheesy? This thread is about making money not changing the planet with deep music. Those days are dead and buried. |
It's not cool to be cheesy, only sellouts make lots of money, and writing pop songs is too easy. Geez, Geoff, you're so old that you don't even remember being a naive 17yo? :p |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
It's not cool to be cheesy, only sellouts make lots of money, and writing pop songs is too easy. Geez, Geoff, you're so old that you don't even remember being a naive 17yo? :p |
Sadly I remember it like it was yesterday :(
I had a Juno 1 and a DX7 :D
And Superman wallpaper. |
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| Magnus |
| Interesting thread with some interesting information. I think the reason you never see threads like this is because most of our contracts are personal, and the labels don't want us spreading around how much we are making, or in most cases, how badly we are being raped. My experiences have varied widely. I've often thought about making a thread like this to let people know, because this question gets asked quite often. Lets just say I'm thankful I have my day job. |
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| DJ RANN |
It's weird - the producing industry seems to have two extremes;
not making anything or at least not enough to live off, or selling out and making enough money in a couple of years to never have to work again.
For instance, I know the EC twins, and before they were famous or known. They were always a little cheesey but used to play some decent prog and house. When it became clear they didn't want to be struggling DJ's/artists a conscious decision was made to to just go big, regardless of the stigma or sell out accusations. They went from getting a couple of grand (if lucky) playing local clubs to $100,000 a gig, vegas residencies.
Why has the middle ground completely disappeared? There were plenty of acts in the 90's that made a decent living off dance music - not enough to buy the yacht and retire to the Mediterranean - but enough to pay a mortgage each month and put food in the table. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
if you are good enough to make money with vocal music, you are good enough to make money with non vocal. That is why you release albums even if people buy singles. Because you can have a vocal track and you can have other tracks that might appeal to others. That is why deadmau5's 4x4=12 made so much money. It was all non vocal non mainstream electro except for one track. If you suck, you will suck just as much with vocals. And since you won't be making any money anyways, you might as well do stuff you enjoy.
The biggest issue with people not making money is more a question of branding and marketing rather than the actual goods being sold. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
There really aren't plenty of non vocal tracks that do well. Some do, but most include vocals.
And who cares if they're cheesy? This thread is about making money not changing the planet with deep music. Those days are dead and buried. |
A lot of times, it sounds like vocals are just an after thought in edm. "Hey, I made this nice track, let's throw some vocals on top to give it something extra!"
Pryda does this and sometimes it doesn't sound good at all. If you listen to the older version of Niton, there are no Oooohs or Aaaahs during the last breakdown and the song doesn't really lose anything.
That's the difference between "The Veldt" and "Stereo Love." Stereo Love sounds like it was written and produced so the vocals would take center stage and as far as the writing is concern, Stereo Love is much better.
In Mau5's mind, vocals come second.
Nobody said it was easy to write a hit, but I think sometimes that producers should stick to what they are good at. All of Mau5's best songs were instrumentals. |
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| MiikkaLeinonen |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
What makes you think that Mikka didn't know about the mastering charges in advance? He's been around a long time and has some pretty big releases, so I doubt that he signed over his tracks without understanding all the provisions of the contract. Besides, in my limited experience with AE, they aren't the sort of label who tries to screw over the artist. Quite the contrary, actually. They have been very clear and responsive. |
Of course I knew everything before signing it and im happy with the contract. Alter Ego is top label and as cryo said, very clear with everything :)
What comes to mastering cost, I dont even really care about the costs label is taking off the sales. Sales are so low anyway so it doesnt make a big difference. And as I have released tracks rarely, 1 track/year, im just happy to get the music out, dont care about the money really. Just posted this for fun and info to other producers. |
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