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this is what u make producing trance (pg. 17)
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| meriter |
| quote: | Originally posted by MiikkaLeinonen
Hey do you really know or got any proof for this? There's been lots of rumours Arty buying himself top of a beatport charts. Easy way get your tracks up there and make a name to buy your own tracks as many djs hype and play top tracks. |
I'm positive this happens, like toolroom and beatport must be business partners |
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| Woony |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
Bonzai Progressive, Eyepatch, Green Martian, Progrez, J00F, Subtraxx, many more...
Giving you sales figures would be truly irrelevant, besides that I wouldn't post on forums with own artists what they make off music. It's their responsibility not mine. I'll be a gent and tell you about mine a bit.
Irrelevant because it's damn easy to hire a group of people who buy your stuff with credit cards etc... so you get up in the charts. This is the trend of the moment in dance music, like 40 years ago hehe.
Also because today you don't make enough money off records sales only, you eventually could get there, but you have to perform first, then you might eventually make enough money for a good year (if you had a very very very good album then) until the next record.
The lifespan of a record was incredibly reduced to maximum 2 weeks today. An album is maybe 2 months? Hey... it used to be 4 months for a single and 2 years for an album. That's the digital era.
I think Trilogique sold 4000 cd's and like 30 000 downloads in 6 years. That's for a triple album with 30 tracks (with big guns signing among others) that almost did it, but apparently not well enough. The gigs I got off it got me more money.
I have a dayjob or two besides my artist life in order to feed the family. Prior to this situation, like a decade ago, I used to earn an average of 75000$ a year off music sales only and the gigs were a good extra income. Still my commitment to everything that's music related remains intact today with other things in-between: kids, bills...
Others might be more successful, we faced that situation before with some unhappy artists, honestly, I don't look back today. Good for them if they are making big money.
There's no ideal label. There are situations you're cool with, or not. I'm okay with mine. |
I wasn't really asking for sales figures, just how much records you press compared to the underground average (around 300 copies). Thanks for the indepth reply anyways, haha.
As for the digital era, while things certainly move faster now, it's also much easier to get noticed. Nowadays you can self release a record and get bookings all over the world a week later, that just wasn't possible back then. |
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| meriter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
depends on the time of month. Usually the menu is just oral but if it is nearing the end of the month and i need to score, i will do just about anything. |
I was asking Richard B... just trying to get a sense of where he's coming from with that attitude but since you mentioned it we're planning a JO party later this month can you host? |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by MiikkaLeinonen
Hey do you really know or got any proof for this? There's been lots of rumours Arty buying himself top of a beatport charts. Easy way get your tracks up there and make a name to buy your own tracks as many djs hype and play top tracks. |
In Holland we had news coverage in March of this year about this thing. People bought themselves into the top charts. That results in gigs and increases audience and sales as well. Buying your tracks into the charts equals cash. Unfortunately. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by meriter
I was asking Richard B... just trying to get a sense of where he's coming from with that attitude but since you mentioned it we're planning a JO party later this month can you host? |
i have a few guys i work with i can call. Nice young lads. |
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| Lolo |
on vinyl?
phew, you said 300 average? our distributor for vinyl is lying to us, so is the author rights company that pay us mechanicals (so you can compare copies sold). Seriously... Remove a zero and multiply by 2 and you got the average for vinyl in 2012 with niche genres. This is accurate, I promise. That's why I don't get why people would leave their income for a vinyl release when it sells next to nothing. Yes, you've got the object, but that shouldn't be the primal object of desire. The quality of the gigs you have, the way people talk about your art should be. That's when music is completely unmaterialized that it reveals its true value.
You know, I'm good friends with Solar Fields among others, that doesn't hold me back from buying his stuff on iTunes. That music means so much to me. Yet I haven't bought it on cd or vinyl. Maybe it's just me after all.
And to reply a little bit to L4C's question. I don't know what to say about an eventual new business model, what I know is that the average age of artists we sign is 30 years old. Sure we have younger people, yet we have 40+, even 45, with a lot of experience and successful past releases (Frank De Wulf, Alex Jamez). |
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| TranceLover007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
And to reply a little bit to L4C's question. I don't know what to say about an eventual new business model, what I know is that the average age of artists we sign is 30 years old. Sure we have younger people, yet we have 40+, even 45, with a lot of experience and successful past releases (Frank De Wulf, Alex Jamez). |
So, you are saying that there is a chance for people 48+ ;) - I got to go back to studio man, I thought that my dream is over after Rich said that I'm to old :D (just kidding lol lol lol)
Cheers,
Darek |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| your dream of being a trance artist will not come anywhere near the current situation you have with kids. You've already spoiled your chance by having something nothing can ever top. I hope i made you tear. I would spend my time on teaching your kids about music. |
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| TranceLover007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
your dream of being a trance artist will not come anywhere near the current situation you have with kids. You've already spoiled your chance by having something nothing can ever top. I hope i made you tear. I would spend my time on teaching your kids about music. |
My situation with my kid (as I only have one so far lol) is slowly improving and my babysitting (with him) is almost done (only took 19 years ;) ) - so my productive time is still to come, I hope :stongue: - but I do have one suggestion to all of you guys who are not married yet "don't get married and don't get children" if you want to make production/DJing career! -> after you do that there is only downhill ride for you :haha:
Darek |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| do you really have aspirations to tour and all that ? Play music in front of high 20 year olds at 4 am ? That appeals to you ? |
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| TranceLover007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
do you really have aspirations to tour and all that ? Play music in front of high 20 year olds at 4 am ? That appeals to you ? |
Not anymore but get some releases from time to time, yeah why not - damn it, I know I'm not going to become $$$$$ but listen to my own track on some Ibiza radio station would be a fun ;)
Cheers. |
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| Magnus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
your dream of being a trance artist will not come anywhere near the current situation you have with kids. You've already spoiled your chance by having something nothing can ever top. I hope i made you tear. I would spend my time on teaching your kids about music. |
Right on L4C. You nailed it. |
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