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this is what u make producing trance (pg. 5)
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| PassiePassion |
@ cryophonik
I thought Mika didn't know cos i read some comments of folks who were surprised that mastering cost were taken off the income :)
@ Looney4Clooney
I will probably get sick pay for the rest of my live !
If you have a link with the almighty dude in the clouds.
And you want to change with me , go ask him i want nothing more hahaha
Before i got disable i was Warehouse supervisor as main job.
Had a great salary and boss in the UK ,so i was own boss in a way.
Then at ones i fell down and had an Epileptic insult.
I woke up in the hospital and got labled as having Epilepsy.
Always was healthy even studied to become a sports teaching when i grew up.
And i kept working on my job for a year and got 2th and 3th opinion.
Cos i didn't want to be sick and disabled
But attacks keep coming about ones every 3 months
The problem with my kind of Epilepsy is that meds don't help
And they can't operate it eighter cos they don't know whats causing it
Believe me this is one illness that you don't want to have.
I never know when the next insult will come.
So i don't even feel save alone on the streets nowadays.
And if i have bad luck than i even wet my pants on a heavy insult.
So i don't enjoy having that illness
Before i had a steady job and on the side i could sell my music to get extra income.
Now i can't even dj anymore because of it
If i get an insult i cant go to the gig So you can't lean on yourself ,thats not nice but very nasty
I'm not allowed to drive anymore as well ,that aint fun
If you have to work each day and hate your job then you might be jealous at people getting sickpay. I was very happy at my old job and loved my freedom Now i can't even go on a holly day on my own
So i lost a lot of freedom because of it
And i get a lot less income obviously since my pay as Warehouse Supervisor was a bit more , So believe me it aint fun to have it !!!
If you get disabled then you get sick pay for the rest of your live
Thats why you pay amounts of your salary to the sickpay institude.
Everybody has to pay if they have a job luckily most never have to make use of it. So the sickpay is not a gift ! Thats why you pay if you get income ,as security for if it goes bad.
So i'm not messing with the government.
I make use of the sickpay we all pay on our salary.
So i get what i paid for for 34 years as i was always healthy before and paid for that sick pay income all those years.
Those who rip off the government are not really sick.
I don't bite my tongue jut for fun and go knock out when i want
Ones you get this illness you are no longer boss of your own body.
You only get 80-100% disabled after many visits to the hospital.
I had 5 cat scans 5 mri scans and you can't fake an insult like i get.
So i'm not abusing the system in any way had lots of tests before the government qualified me dis abled.
So no worries the government don't make folks disabled just for fun.
As for a job > no boss wants me now , Thats why i'm disabled.
The boss can not count on me being at the job everyday.
Cos after an insult i'm out of order for a week.
So the boss can not count on me to get the job finished.
With Epilepsy you never know when the next insult will come.
So i'm far from a lazy hippy hahahaha
Even did volunteer work for a while to help another sick person
But got 2 attacks there too ,so now i don't do that any more
Cos the person i helped was very shocked because of my insults
So your thoughts are very unjust , I don't do this for fun !
Then i would be making music all day long and try to sell that.
Then the government would pay me to have fun
Now it aint like that but i'm more like a prisoner in my own home.
Everytime i go on the streets on my own i can get an insult
Then i fall down and go knock out and start shaking in bad cases wet my pants.
So there is a lot of shame involved with this illness.
You don't wet your pants as a grown man just for fun hahahaha
Or bite your tongue so bad that the tongue is 3times as big hihi
Not everybody fakes being sick
And governments do anything to avoid disabling someone
Cos ones your disabled then you get sick pay till your death.
And again thats not a gift
I had about 2400 salary per month but got 1700 rest all went to things we have to pay.
So i paid 20 years or so for that without using it.
Now i got disabled and get some back from all i paid over the years.
Thus sick pay is NOT a gift but a RIGHT !
Thats the reason they take so much from your salary each month. |
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| cryophonik |
| Sorry to hear about your condition Passie. I can sorta relate, as I was born with a very mild form of epilepsy that is sometimes classified as petite mal syndrome. I had absence seizures a lot as a kid, but rarely have them anymore and they've become much less intense when I do have them now. Fortunately, there was never any need for medication in my case. I've studied epilepsy quite a bit, so I have a good sense of how debilitating it can be for someone with a more severe form, I can even empathize a bit, and I definitely don't think that you are taking advantage of the system. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Why has the middle ground completely disappeared? There were plenty of acts in the 90's that made a decent living off dance music - not enough to buy the yacht and retire to the Mediterranean - but enough to pay a mortgage each month and put food in the table. |
That's where the piracy takes its toll imo.
Those that were never going to make it won't notice (although they can still blame piracy).
Those that get big still make money from live, endorsements and at least some decent track sales figures.
About 20 years ago I used to co-write trance tracks with a couple of dudes in Surrey who had a pretty neat setup for the time (ADATs, Ataris and a load of synths and ok outboard) and we used to make about £700-100 per track after cutting costs etc. We could do that twice a month if we wanted to without really putting much time into it, just selling to DJs etc. Not enough to live on, but we only met up 2-3 times a month. Had we made the decision to sit in the studio 5 days a week it could have been considerably more, but that still wouldn't have landed us 'the deal' so to speak, it was the wrong time for that big dance market.
You just can't do that now. |
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| PassiePassion |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Sorry to hear about your condition Passie. I can sorta relate, as I was born with a very mild form of epilepsy that is sometimes classified as petite mal syndrome. I had absence seizures a lot as a kid, but rarely have them anymore and they've become much less intense when I do have them now. Fortunately, there was never any need for medication in my case. I've studied epilepsy quite a bit, so I have a good sense of how debilitating it can be for someone with a more severe form, I can even empathize a bit, and I definitely don't think that you are taking advantage of the system. |
Thanks for the understanding ,and good to hear you don't have much problems with it any more.
I have the grand mall attacks with sleepwalking sometimes after the insult.
Then i look like i'm awake but have lsd eyes completely black eyes.
That can take 3 hours and then i wake up and think where am i how did i get here haha
But also consider myself lucky cos i only get 1 insult every 3 months.
There are those who get a grand mall each day
Excuse me topic creator about the off topic.
Just had to explain it a bit to make the readers understand i'm not ill for fun. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by PassiePassion
Thus sick pay is NOT a gift but a RIGHT !
Thats the reason they take so much from your salary each month. |
isn't there like something in the government you can do ? you guys have like an airforce right ? I mean someone is flying the planes.
Epilepsy seems kinda made up. I mean it isn't something like aspergers that is totally legit and debilitating. |
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| PassiePassion |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
That's where the piracy takes its toll imo.
Those that were never going to make it won't notice (although they can still blame piracy).
Those that get big still make money from live, endorsements and at least some decent track sales figures.
About 20 years ago I used to co-write trance tracks with a couple of dudes in Surrey who had a pretty neat setup for the time (ADATs, Ataris and a load of synths and ok outboard) and we used to make about £700-100 per track after cutting costs etc. We could do that twice a month if we wanted to without really putting much time into it, just selling to DJs etc. Not enough to live on, but we only met up 2-3 times a month. Had we made the decision to sit in the studio 5 days a week it could have been considerably more, but that still wouldn't have landed us 'the deal' so to speak, it was the wrong time for that big dance market.
You just can't do that now. |
Yep a lot has changed over the years.
Imo not only piracy is to blame but it's also cos of development of software.
I worked as sound engineer in a recording studio for a while.
That was at the start of the internet hype.
Before every hardware musician or vocalist ,rap ,singing ,needed a studio.
Then software developed and they could do it in their home.
Then it became a hype and everyone was making music.
And they didn't need a recording studio any more.
So the studio had to quit.
Another thing is vinyl going to cd
I still have a Philips CDR880 ,hardware cd burner looking like a cd player hihi
Most import record shops got broke and stopped
From the 5 i went to in my youth only 1 still exists :(
On the other side you are able to find many more types of music now.
And can hear a lot of nice experimental productions.
So for making money it went backwards
But for creativity it grew
Just see all those soundcloud links below all the members their names.
Sometimes you hear remarkable things
There just are so many now who create music that it's looking for a needle in a haystack hihi
You know what would be a nice idea hihi
Creating more types of hitparades
So a top 100 for unknown artists on sites like this
That could create a new promotional platform ;) |
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| zodiac9 |
I liked seeing that royalty statement. That one was is laid out well with all the details. Never saw one that detailed.
I was thinking about posting one of mine, but now I see that's not a good idea. I'm doing better sales wise, but haven't sold enough to get a payout. I'm not really sure what my contract says, but it appears to say I get 50% from "mech" recordings, and less than than that for digital downloads. The sales numbers and royalties don't seem to add up. Last statement I got was well over 100 streams and downloads. Some of the "sales" are digital streaming, and I know that's just pennies per play. I'm not accusing, and I could hire a music lawyer to look over the contracts and royalty statements, but it's just not worth it. This is a well known established label, and I know other producers on the label who have been in it longer than I have.
Anyway, just saying I like the detailed report that was posted here. All mine says is "royalties: Track Downloads, Streams, etc. - xxx amount", it doesn't specify just lumps them all together. Kind of hard to keep track of accounting when it's general like that. The other thing is compilations, not sure if those are counted as a whole, or seperate tracks. That's another one that doesn't seem to add up for me.
Think it would be OK to post current payout balances here, without mentioning labels? Mine would make you all giggle. |
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| MiikkaLeinonen |
| quote: | Originally posted by zodiac9
I liked seeing that royalty statement. That one was is laid out well with all the details. Never saw one that detailed. |
AE statements are very detailed and that is one reason I decided to post it - no scam, no questions, just pure math and there u go.
| quote: | | Originally posted by zodiac9 I was thinking about posting one of mine, but now I see that's not a good idea. I'm doing better sales wise, but haven't sold enough to get a payout. I'm not really sure what my contract says, but it appears to say I get 50% from "mech" recordings, and less than than that for digital downloads. The sales numbers and royalties don't seem to add up. Last statement I got was well over 100 streams and downloads. Some of the "sales" are digital streaming, and I know that's just pennies per play. I'm not accusing, and I could hire a music lawyer to look over the contracts and royalty statements, but it's just not worth it. This is a well known established label, and I know other producers on the label who have been in it longer than I have. |
Please do because it sounds a bit strange - you sell lot more than me and get nothing? That cant be right. One thing I noticed - who decided what is the minimun amount they pay? Is it on the contract?
But combining streams/downloads together isn't right. How do you know what you've sold?
| quote: | Originally posted by zodiac9 Anyway, just saying I like the detailed report that was posted here. All mine says is "royalties: Track Downloads, Streams, etc. - xxx amount", it doesn't specify just lumps them all together. Kind of hard to keep track of accounting when it's general like that. The other thing is compilations, not sure if those are counted as a whole, or seperate tracks. That's another one that doesn't seem to add up for me.
Think it would be OK to post current payout balances here, without mentioning labels? Mine would make you all giggle. |
I would love to post the info again, but I decided not to - its nothing to do with AE, just decided to take the info away.
- updated the first post. There u go, detailed info. |
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| zodiac9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MiikkaLeinonen
Please do because it sounds a bit strange - you sell lot more than me and get nothing? That cant be right. One thing I noticed - who decided what is the minimum amount they pay? Is it on the contract?
But combining streams/downloads together isn't right. How do you know what you've sold?
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Far as I can tell the minimum payout is not in the contract. It's 90 euros if I remember right. Here's some of the details of a statement from last year. I'm not mentioning the name of the label.
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royalties: Track Downloads, Streams, etc. 01/2011 -
06/2011 15(tracks) 0,00 EUR
royalties: compilation downloads 5(tracks) 0,32 EUR
royalties: compilation downloads 13(tracks) 0,83 EUR
royalties: Track Downloads, Streams, etc. 01/2011 - 06/2011 22(tracks) 0,16 EUR
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If I'm reading the contract right, I get %35 from digital sales. That's pretty standard for that label, my producer friends had the same experience. I heard they will give 50% for vocal tracks. Well anyway, does the math make any sense in the above statement? Doesn't add up to me, but I can't see them blatantly stiffing me like that. All the contracts together are over 20 pages.
What you see in the above statement is all the detail I get. |
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| Floorfiller |
| i find these kind of threads really sad. i know you guys are really putting a lot into producing, but just don't get anything back out of it. i'm kind of glad that i've never gotten into production super hardcore, building a huge studio etc. |
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| Deillon |
And yet VST's and DAW get more expensive
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