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possible upgrade from krk's to hs's (pg. 4)
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| tehlord |
| The Sonodyne monitors are supposed to be excellent. |
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| andyboy |
I've never really heard people slating KRK's. And they obviously do the job. I'm sure Kearney and Indecent Noise only have the old R5's or something. Their tunes sound, erm, good. :P
p.s. I have them too. No complaints. :P |
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| jayxthekoolest |
| quote: | Originally posted by andyboy
I've never really heard people slating KRK's. |
srsly
no idea what the people on here are thinking |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Hey fellowers,
I´ve read a lot reviews about the KRK RP5 RoKit G2 and most of them telling you that you hardly can`t go wrong with this little monitors. Well, my review goes straight into the other direction.
Build Quality
I think they are well built, I didn`t find anything to complain about.
Sound Quality - Introduction
Now it`s getting interesting...
My first two pairs of monitors were M-Audio BX5a and later Event TR6. So I thought updating with the Rokits must be an improvement. I just have heard the Rokit 8 before and liked the bass response so I thought due to this experience and all that raving reviews about the Rokit 5 I can`t go wrong with the Rokit 5.
When I first installed them and started listening music and getting them to know I preferred the sound over the Event TR6` sound. The Rokit 5 sounded less harsh in the highs and bass sounded more honest to me.
So I did some mixes on them. I am electronic music producer myself since several years and know how it should sound and what to do in certain cases. I was pretty pleased with the results although the mixes sounded a little bit thin and dark on other monitor systems and especially the mids were underrepresentated. On the Rokit 5 the mixes sounded like the best thing ever done on earth.
Then I mixed my first Metal/Rock Projects on them. It sounded as usual very nice on the Rokit 5. Strange I thought because I am new to mixing this sort of music. When I referenced these mixes on other monitor system I nearly ed my pants because it sounded THAT awful.
I did some tests with well known songs and material and realized that the Rokit 5 are boosting the lows pretty much and especially the mids. Also the highs were always mixed too harsh on them ...
A friend has borrowed me his Klein & Hummel O110 for some weeks and I re-did all mixes on them. Awesome how well they translated and how different the Metal/Rock mixes sounded against the ones I did on the Rokit 5. That was the point when I realized I just don`t wanna mix on that KRKs anymore because they are lying to me big times.
Sound Quality - In Particular
Stereo Imaging
You can`t really locate a sound in the stereo image. I didn`t have the feeling that anything was centered on this monitors, it was something like a sound-cloud where every instrument was blurred so it sounded nice but not detailed or accurate.
Space
The same as stereo image, literally not judge-able. My electronic music consits of a lot of reverbs which make the athmosphere. I always had to guess and adjust the verbs by knowledge and not by ear. On our bad sounding Yamaha PA in the rehearsal room the reverbs and its spaces sounded better than on the Rokit 5.
Frequency Spectrum
That`s the biggest fault in my eyes. They aren`t detailed, they lie to you and tell you that your mids are just right and they sound perfect but in reality your mids aren`t here or at least anywhere else.
Mixing bass was, like mixing reverbs, always a guessing game. I hardly mixed a bass right in terms of volume.
Eqing on the Rokit 5 is another guessing game. You have to boost or cut so much to hear a result ...
Some Gossip as a Sidenote
The friend with the Klein & Hummel did a monitor A/B Session at his university (He is studying Electrotechnology/Soundengineer). For A/Bing they had his K&H, Genelecs, Adams, PSI Audio, KRK Rokit 5 and some others. The people had let`s say 20mins to listen to every monitor pair so they can judge them at the end. Most of the people were not audio technicians, they rather were music listeners. Guess what? The KRK RP5 G2 were under the best monitors because everything sounded so nice on them.
Conclusion
I know it sounds a little bit like "Bobo" telling you this because not everybody has a lot of money for good monitors but I am telling you anyway : it`s better to save some money and buy something different. I`d say it`s better to work with a midpriced AKG headphone than throwing your money out of the money.
If I had to look for monitors in this pricerange nowadays I´d rather save some more extra bucks and buy at least Yamaha HS80. To me and my ears they are sounding a lot more honestly than KRK RP5 RoKit G2
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http://www.gearslutz.com/board/revi...-rokit-5-a.html
30 second google search |
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| Energy3 |
Thanks guys, this wasnt intended to be another monitor comparison thread only whether to upgrade from krk to hs and the answer is no save for something better :tongue2
Been a good read and something learned appreciate it.
Cheers peoples! |
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| jayxthekoolest |
| quote: | Originally posted by Energy3
Thanks guys, this wasnt intended to be another monitor comparison thread only whether to upgrade from krk to hs and the answer is no save for something better :tongue2
Been a good read and something learned appreciate it.
Cheers peoples! |
I guarantee you that when it comes to speakers, you get what you pay for. End of story.
When it comes to the Hs80ms I almost wonder if people on these forums have some association in their mind with them and the classic Yamaha NS 10 monitors. The NS10s were the industry standard but can no longer be manufactured considering the material for the driver cone is no longer available for mass production. The Hs80ms are Yamaha's attempt to emulate the NS10s, but they obviously don't sound the same. It also doesn't mean that the Hs80ms are magically infinitely better speakers than the Krks as a lot of people of this forum seem to think. I honestly don't know where this irrational belief of theirs is even coming from. The Krks are solid for the price and have great detail. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by jayxthekoolest
It also doesn't mean that the Hs80ms are magically infinitely better speakers than the Krks as a lot of people of this forum seem to think. |
Yes they are.
And I don't think, I know.
I suspect you have hearing issues. Actually, you may have a brain tumour as you keep repeating yourself as well.
Sshhhhhhh. |
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| jayxthekoolest |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
Yes they are.
And I don't think, I know.
I suspect you have hearing issues. Actually, you may have a brain tumour as you keep repeating yourself as well.
Sshhhhhhh. |
lol |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by jayxthekoolest
I guarantee you that when it comes to speakers, you get what you pay for. End of story.
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Actually that's a very dumb assumption. "it's expensive it must be good/it's cheap, it must be crap". That's a very stupid way way to buy monitors or anything for that matter.
Not all things are equal on performance vs cost analysis. Some manufacturers such as JBL and Yamaha have produced such good "budget models" that more expensive models have been rendered somewhat obsolete (Mackie HR824).
My personal opinion of why KRK are below in comparative terms comes from knowing their sales direction on a corporate level, having demo'd them literally 100's of times for customers and then, working on a professional basis in major name studios on many other brands of monitors such as B&W, PMC, Quested, Mackie, Dynaudio, K&H, ADAM and Focal, thus giving me a comparative understanding of the top end of speakers available, being used in a professional environment.
Again, my comments come with the prefix that I'm a professional engineer and have worked in some of the top studios in the world. Prior to that I worked as in Pro Audio sales, then sales director for the Largest Pro Audio retailer in Europe and have sold more monitors (from every brand, yes including KRK) than you could imagine.
KRK are crap. Read my previous monitor shootout review with very detailed and articulated reasons why.
| quote: | Originally posted by jayxthekoolest
When it comes to the Hs80ms I almost wonder if people on these forums have some association in their mind with them and the classic Yamaha NS 10 monitors. The NS10s were the industry standard but can no longer be manufactured considering the material for the driver cone is no longer available for mass production. The Hs80ms are Yamaha's attempt to emulate the NS10s, but they obviously don't sound the same. It also doesn't mean that the Hs80ms are magically infinitely better speakers than the Krks as a lot of people of this forum seem to think. I honestly don't know where this irrational belief of theirs is even coming from. The Krks are solid for the price and have great detail. |
No that's not it.
NS10's were actually quite horrible to use. Lifeless is the best way to describe them. Studios had them as reference monitors (usually with another pair of monitors) because if you could get a mix to really pop and sound nice on them, they would easily translate to any hifi system (the medium at that time you were aiming for) and the mix would sound great on those hyped systems.
Every so often (and when you've been around long enough you can see it happen) a brand comes along sets the new standard at a particular price point.
With the working/project studio price bracket....
Yama did it with the ns10's (inadvertently though).
Mackie HR824's were then the staple of choice for over a decade.
Dynaudio BM Range were and still are a popular choice.
Now Yama HS80's. Why? Because they are relatively flat, don't have a huge scoop anywhere (unlike HR824's which always had a scoop at 250, not to mention muddy low mids which is a crucial zone for EDM), have great detail and stereo image...all for less than $700 a pair.
The thing is you could very easily spend $500 more and not get a better monitor. You think it's just co-incidence that mackie decided to "revise" the HR824 as soon as the HS80 was released? (not that it made a big difference).
The point is, that budget monitors have become so good, there's not point spending "mid range" money (i.e. $1000+) on monitors unless you go the whole hog and get serious ($2000). The tiny (if any) increments in performance are not worth the extra $500-800 over the likes of HS80's or BM5's etc.
Just speak to anyone in pro audio sales now; they'll tell you the bottom has completely dropped out of middle range market.
As for affiliation, I don't own Yama's. Not planning to any time soon, due to room constraints. I don't own shares in them either. I just see things on their merit and they are truly great speakers if you have the money and a decent size room. That's the market sweet spot right there.
For lower budget JBL have done the same thing.
For high price Focal have done it, as have barefoot. Beyond that, it's personal preference but you're between a good place and a good place.
if you still don't get it then please just do us a favor and off, you and your ty KRK's. |
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| jayxthekoolest |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Actually that's a very dumb assumption. "it's expensive it must be good/it's cheap, it must be crap". That's a very stupid way way to buy monitors or anything for that matter.
Not all things are equal on performance vs cost analysis. Some manufacturers such as JBL and Yamaha have produced such good "budget models" that more expensive models have been rendered somewhat obsolete (Mackie HR824).
My personal opinion of why KRK are below in comparative terms comes from knowing their sales direction on a corporate level, having demo'd them literally 100's of times for customers and then, working on a professional basis in major name studios on many other brands of monitors such as B&W, PMC, Quested, Mackie, Dynaudio, K&H, ADAM and Focal, thus giving me a comparative understanding of the top end of speakers available, being used in a professional environment.
Again, my comments come with the prefix that I'm a professional engineer and have worked in some of the top studios in the world. Prior to that I worked as in Pro Audio sales, then sales director for the Largest Pro Audio retailer in Europe and have sold more monitors (from every brand, yes including KRK) than you could imagine.
KRK are crap. Read my previous monitor shootout review with very detailed and articulated reasons why.
No that's not it.
NS10's were actually quite horrible to use. Lifeless is the best way to describe them. Studios had them as reference monitors (usually with another pair of monitors) because if you could get a mix to really pop and sound nice on them, they would easily translate to any hifi system (the medium at that time you were aiming for) and the mix would sound great on those hyped systems.
Every so often (and when you've been around long enough you can see it happen) a brand comes along sets the new standard at a particular price point.
With the working/project studio price bracket....
Yama did it with the ns10's (inadvertently though).
Mackie HR824's were then the staple of choice for over a decade.
Dynaudio BM Range were and still are a popular choice.
Now Yama HS80's. Why? Because they are relatively flat, don't have a huge scoop anywhere (unlike HR824's which always had a scoop at 250, not to mention muddy low mids which is a crucial zone for EDM), have great detail and stereo image...all for less than $700 a pair.
The thing is you could very easily spend $500 more and not get a better monitor. You think it's just co-incidence that mackie decided to "revise" the HR824 as soon as the HS80 was released? (not that it made a big difference).
The point is, that budget monitors have become so good, there's not point spending "mid range" money (i.e. $1000+) on monitors unless you go the whole hog and get serious ($2000). The tiny (if any) increments in performance are not worth the extra $500-800 over the likes of HS80's or BM5's etc.
Just speak to anyone in pro audio sales now; they'll tell you the bottom has completely dropped out of middle range market.
As for affiliation, I don't own Yama's. Not planning to any time soon, due to room constraints. I don't own shares in them either. I just see things on their merit and they are truly great speakers if you have the money and a decent size room. That's the market sweet spot right there.
For lower budget JBL have done the same thing.
For high price Focal have done it, as have barefoot. Beyond that, it's personal preference but you're between a good place and a good place.
if you still don't get it then please just do us a favor and off, you and your ty KRK's. |
Hopes this helps:
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