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possible upgrade from krk's to hs's (pg. 6)
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by jayxthekoolest
ya, and combine that with the fact that they spent $700.00 on the speakers and own them. it's a natural human reaction to want to believe that you've got is the best. much easier than considering that there are other speakers that are just as good, worse in some ways and better in others. |
Dude, how many ing times. I don't own HS80's. I don't plan to.
I'm not defending them out of some misguided patriotic defense of purchasing habits. They're good monitors, better than anything KRK has put out since they discontinued the V series.
Want the full story?
KRK made their name on the V series....
.....THAT WERE ACTUALLY MADE BY FOCAL. Yes, them of twins fame.
As the story goes, KRK started getting greedy with them in terms of trying to squeeze them costs wise, and at this point Focal decided to get in to the pro monitor business themselves.
Everyone with the V series were left out of luck of you needed spares as KRK didn't actually have the parts or could even make them, and Focal had no intention or agreement in place to keep making them.
So KRK, decided to go cheap, bring out budget monitors made in chine and spend a load on artist sponsorship and magazine payola in an attempt to take control of the budget market.
To a degree, it worked as people had some respect for the brand due to the good KRK(focal) V-range and the budget market was exploding as ITB/budget studios became a reality.
unfortunately, the market caught up, other brands started putting out better budget monitors (Mackie, JBL, Yama, etc) and KRK could only market their rather average products (at best) so far.
Richie is right though; speakers don't matter as much as ability and can only do so much in bad rooms.
Great speakers in bad rooms = bad monitoring.
Average monitors in a good room = better monitoring.
it's weakest link theory - no point having good monitors if your room is turd, have a DAC and don't know what you're doing.
I've seen real pros mix entire commercially released (mainstream) albums on $400, 8 year old, battered hifi speakers and make it sound like gold.
At the same time I've heard utter rubbish mixed in rooms with $200k monitoring setups (I mean the type of dream setups that probably only a few studios on earth can compare to). |
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| jayxthekoolest |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Dude, how many ing times. I don't own HS80's. I don't plan to.
I'm not defending them out of some misguided patriotic defense of purchasing habits. They're good monitors, better than anything KRK has put out since they discontinued the V series.
Want the full story?
KRK made their name on the V series....
.....THAT WERE ACTUALLY MADE BY FOCAL. Yes, them of twins fame.
As the story goes, KRK started getting greedy with them in terms of trying to squeeze them costs wise, and at this point Focal decided to get in to the pro monitor business themselves.
Everyone with the V series were left out of luck of you needed spares as KRK didn't actually have the parts or could even make them, and Focal had no intention or agreement in place to keep making them.
So KRK, decided to go cheap, bring out budget monitors made in chine and spend a load on artist sponsorship and magazine payola in an attempt to take control of the budget market.
To a degree, it worked as people had some respect for the brand due to the good KRK(focal) V-range and the budget market was exploding as ITB/budget studios became a reality.
unfortunately, the market caught up, other brands started putting out better budget monitors (Mackie, JBL, Yama, etc) and KRK could only market their rather average products (at best) so far.
Richie is right though; speakers don't matter as much as ability and can only do so much in bad rooms.
Great speakers in bad rooms = bad monitoring.
Average monitors in a good room = better monitoring.
it's weakest link theory - no point having good monitors if your room is turd, have a DAC and don't know what you're doing.
I've seen real pros mix entire commercially released (mainstream) albums on $400, 8 year old, battered hifi speakers and make it sound like gold.
At the same time I've heard utter rubbish mixed in rooms with $200k monitoring setups (I mean the type of dream setups that probably only a few studios on earth can compare to). |
you're more long winded than a women
too long, didn't read |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by jayxthekoolest
you're more long winded than a women
too long, didn't read |
c0r version;
KRK are :stongue: |
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| MSZ |
I know some people using KRK rokits, but they just use them for rough mixing and tracking basically. They are privileged enough to visit real studios and do the mixes there after they've finished.
With enough talent anything is possible is my theory. But you need full range reference to a degree like Looney says. My friend was making amazing music with computer speakers, he had a lust for sound design and still does. I dont really like this work as much now that he got mackie 824's apparently they're a big buzz in the drum and bass community. |
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| jayxthekoolest |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
c0r version;
KRK are :stongue: |
i mean, everyone's got an opinion.
loony4clooney is only person here who gave sensible advice. |
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| Energy3 |
Does the Moderator moderate personality :eyes:
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Thanks again everyone for their advice! |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by jayxthekoolest
loony4clooney is only person here who gave sensible advice. |
Disagree.
I told you to shhhhhhush. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
lol
i thought my advice was to listen to experience ie Rann. I'm going thru this book regarding loudspeaker and room acoustics and it is a complete mind . It is meant for engineers and the math is hurting my head. |
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| jayxthekoolest |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
lol
i thought my advice was to listen to experience ie Rann. I'm going thru this book regarding loudspeaker and room acoustics and it is a complete mind . It is meant for engineers and the math is hurting my head. |
here's the thing
i don't think rann understands the difference between a mixing engineer and a producer
from a mixing perspective, i would say the hs80ms are the best speakers i've ever heard. i owned them for 6 months. this is how i know
however, from a producing perspective, you need to be able to hear more detail than the hs80ms reveal. this is why i sold them. so if you're gonna produce EDM, and you want to get detailed sounds, i don't think hs80ms are the perfect solution. i think the krk's are a better option.
but you guys can continue to think what ya want. i'm very happy with what i've got |
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| Looney4Clooney |
a mixing engineers only job is to listen. A producer traditionally did not mix. You have it backwards. A mixing engineer needs better monitoring. They have better ears and their job is more specific. They put a microscope on everything. A producer makes arrangments, then they might wear the hat of an engineer which is when they are doing active listening and adjusting. That is mixing.
Rann is going to have a field day with what you just said. |
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| clay |
| KRK sux. Yamaha sux unless you have a big ass isolated room and long distance to wall. Genelecs are awesome both for listening and monitoring. A little ear fatiguing but that can be solved with the DIP-switches. |
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| jayxthekoolest |
| quote: | Originally posted by clay
KRK sux. Yamaha sux unless you have a big ass isolated room and long distance to wall. Genelecs are awesome both for listening and monitoring. A little ear fatiguing but that can be solved with the DIP-switches. |
Trust me, I'm currently saving up for some Genelecs. |
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