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| Joz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
I dont knock atheism and I definitely don't knock religion. There are plenty of people who advance our world in the fields of Science and medicine and give us a better understanding of the universe who are completely religious. |
And them being religious has no bearing on their Scientific credentials. Scientists advance their field in spite of religion, not because of it. Nor does a scientist being religious prove any sort of religion true, unless you want to add that Isaac Newton's belief in alchemy lends credence to alchemy as well.
| quote: | | Probably just as many who are atheists. |
93% percent surveyed at the National Academy of Science alone aren't "believers" in any God:http://www.thenation.com/article/new-atheists
With more institutions to boot----> @3:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSxgnu3Hww8
| quote: | | I really do think you guys have a very weird and twisted idea of what religion is all about. Religious people aren't all bible thumpers heading to church and talking to strangers about Jesus |
And yet they all still believe in the most ridiculous things, and then tell other people to believe those things as well.
| quote: | | My mother is very religious and she teaches Darwinism and world religions in her high school. My brother is religious (doesn't go to church regularly but has followed all the sacraments in the catholic religion just as I did) and has a master's in neuroscience. His wife has a PHD in psychology and believes in God. The majority of my friends are catholic, Jewish and some are even hindu and buddhists. Each one of them follow the core beliefs and do not themselves over the other's belief system. Yet Atheists feel the need to run around and call everyone stupid over something that really makes no difference to us. |
We get it; your the brain-childs family and everyone is so intelligent and yet still accepts their niche Gods with no evidence whatsoever. That makes them imperfect human beings, not more intelligent or wise. They don't have to be stupid to believe stupid things, or do stupid things. Feel free to read the original post again to get a sampling of the examples for why religion isn't "personal" anymore. It is very much political, and if you don't speak out against it, other people will. Don't complain when they do. |
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| EddieZilker |
| You're not even paying attention to what Vivid is saying, except to keep advancing your opinion. I realize you're new, here, but this is the same conversation this board has already had 1,000 times before. And like the 999 times before that, it is rhetorically mired in ty tactics of internet discourse with no substance, what-so-ever. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
I would add, in argument, that perhaps many of the examples he forwarded do not personally believe in the literal interpretation of religious texts. One can still be an intellectual, yet observe that the strictly metaphorical and allegorical interpretations pose support for their beliefs in the existence of God. I would not call that stupid on its own, rather evidence of a humanistic facet of conditional and existential analysis.
It's when biblical (and otherwise) literalists, and their self-assuming pontifex, make their decrees for public interest in assumption of their own principles, that it becomes a point of contention that any mindful individual ought take offense.
Can I stress this enough?
Atheism is one claim. Religion is one belief. But Atheism, in itself, does not seek to revoke religion, but theism, and its long-standing legacy in political influence to evangelize its morality as the only morality, at the utter cost of dissent in the interest of fundamental human rights to the pursuit of individual fulfillment. |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I would add, in argument, that perhaps many of the examples he forwarded do not personally believe in the literal interpretation of religious texts. One can still be an intellectual, yet observe that the strictly metaphorical and allegorical interpretations pose support for their beliefs in the existence of God. I would not call that stupid on its own, rather evidence of a humanistic facet of conditional and existential analysis.
It's when biblical (and otherwise) literalists, and their self-assuming pontifex, make their decrees for public interest in assumption of their own principles, that it becomes a point of contention that any mindful individual ought take offense.
Can I stress this enough?
Atheism is one claim. Religion is one belief. But Atheism, in itself, does not seek to revoke religion, but theism, and its long-standing legacy in political influence to evangelize its morality as the only morality, at the utter cost of dissent in the interest of fundamental human rights to the pursuit of individual fulfillment. |
Thank You that is what I was getting across. I believe in something greater out there. Im not afraid to admit it. I believe in a God. but what I believe is not that there is some old man in the clouds playing cards against Plato while a bunch of saints man the gates. When I think of God I think of compassion in one human being to another. God being that moment of clarity when I realized I'm doing something ed up. That feeling of seeing someone born for the first time. God be the one that;ll take you home God aint the one thatll pay for your phone. On your days alone god will make you moan. Everybody knows God has more bounce then an ounce and Bad Boy make more money then you can count.
Can't Stop Won't Stop.
Ughh eh Ughh eh |
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| Znack |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sleightful Whether religion is accurate or inaccurate, at the very least it provides hope for some people. The irony of atheists trying to convert religious folk is hilarious.
Worldwide atheism isn't going to bring about world peace. Human beings will always find another basis for belittling others, be it race, geography, financial status... |
Flawed and absurd from start to finish. For starters, the hope it supposedly provides for people comes from LYING to people, or if I were to put it more nicely, by making claims that the claimant could NOT POSSIBLY know. And trying to convince people to relinquish a belief system - especially one that can reasonably be demonstrated to be untrue - is not 'converting' people. Simply because Atheists aren't buying what religions are selling doesn't mean we're trying to sell you something ourselves.
No one is claiming 'atheism will bring worldwide peace'. However, the perpetuator of conflict and originator of it has more often than not been religion. Hence why peace in the Middle East will NOT be solved without bloodhed precisely BECAUSE of the religious teachings in the Torah and Qur'an/Hadiths. And that's just a more contemporary one. |
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| jEEo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mattsanity.
I want to know why he feels the need to drop the F bomb throughout the video. I'd be a hypocrite to say I don't drop it, but the fact that word is uttered frequently reveals a lot about a person's character. |
That it does but he couples it with sense |
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| Joz |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
You're not even paying attention to what Vivid is saying, except to keep advancing your opinion. I realize you're new, here, but this is the same conversation this board has already had 1,000 times before. And like the 999 times before that, it is rhetorically mired in ty tactics of internet discourse with no substance, what-so-ever. |
I agree, his discourse is muddied and without substance. "I know some smart religious people!" ....who gives a ? That's not the point. I'm allowed to scrutinize religion and its followers, without having to produce an obvious list that says they're not all murderers, rapists, thieves, dogmatic, or completely immoral. They still believe without evidence and expect others to believe without evidence. You can't and won't stick to that kind of discourse though, because once we start talking about evidence for God, your entire thesis crumbles apart. You know it and I know it.
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
One can still be an intellectual, yet observe that the strictly metaphorical and allegorical interpretations pose support for their beliefs in the existence of God. I would not call that stupid on its own, rather evidence of a humanistic facet of conditional and existential analysis. |
Not once in the history of mankind has any believer in the "metaphysical" produced one single piece of evidence to say it exists or is tangible. So "studying the metaphysical" is akin to studying....nothing. So why should I or anyone else listen to someone and "respect them" for studying absolutely nothing but claiming absolute knowledge. That sort of pretentious special pleading is the reason why we're at where we are now. Produce something and earn your keep at the table of progress.
| quote: | | It's when biblical (and otherwise) literalists, and their self-assuming pontifex, make their decrees for public interest in assumption of their own principles, that it becomes a point of contention that any mindful individual ought take offense. |
The minute a thought, idea, or principle leaves your mouth or is written down by your hand and viewable by other people, it can be scrutinized. That goes for more than just the literalistic.
| quote: | | Can I stress this enough? |
You can but it's going to be the same non-point as it was before.
| quote: | Atheism is one claim rejection of a claim. |
Fixed.
| quote: | | Religion is one belief. |
It is a term describing multiple beliefs.
| quote: | | But Atheism, in itself, does not seek to revoke religion, but theism, and its long-standing legacy in political influence to evangelize its morality as the only morality, at the utter cost of dissent in the interest of fundamental human rights to the pursuit of individual fulfillment. |
In your opinion it does. Atheism is a lack of belief in a God. From there it's up to the individual to decide how they treat the situation. Some atheists are content to leave religion to its processes, some are outspoken about the negative effects of religion, and some are outspoken about religion itself. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joz
I agree, his discourse is muddied and without substance. "I know some smart religious people!" ....who gives a ? That's not the point. I'm allowed to scrutinize religion and its followers, without having to produce an obvious list that says they're not all murderers, rapists, thieves, dogmatic, or completely immoral. They still believe without evidence and expect others to believe without evidence. You can't and won't stick to that kind of discourse though, because once we start talking about evidence for God, your entire thesis crumbles apart. You know it and I know it. |
You have no idea what my thesis is. Again, I invite you to check the multiple threads that concern this issue to try and discern that for yourself; before you go off and make an ass out of yourself by attributing a thesis to me in order make a claim against it. There's no such thing as God? Prove the existence of intellectual integrity and honesty in your arguments. Pretty sure I could prove that your rhetoric is heavily propagandized before you can prove otherwise.
God knows, I've done it before. |
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| david.michael |
This Thread: A Summary
Person A - "Atheists are smug hypocrites who persecute religious people."
Person B - "Not all atheists! Just the squeaky wheels. Besides, religious people are blind sheep who try to convert everyone and force their beliefs on the rest of the population."
Person A "Not all religious people, just the squeaky wheels!"
Repeat ad nauseam. |
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| srussell0018 |
Nothing I love more than atheist threads.
Get it? Nothing?
ba dum tssss |
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| pointPi |
May I ask you all something?
Do you want to fight for the things you cherish? Or do you want go outside and explore the world?
May the word be heard that there is no truth to be found, only new things. I am grateful for this. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joz
Not once in the history of mankind has any believer in the "metaphysical" produced one single piece of evidence to say it exists or is tangible. So "studying the metaphysical" is akin to studying....nothing. So why should I or anyone else listen to someone and "respect them" for studying absolutely nothing but claiming absolute knowledge. That sort of pretentious special pleading is the reason why we're at where we are now. Produce something and earn your keep at the table of progress. |
Belief in anything is akin to philosophy; It's not "nothing" just because you can't touch it. That's certainly not how humans have progressed, either, so don't deign to say who gets to sit at "the table of progress" (lol!).
| quote: | | The minute a thought, idea, or principle leaves your mouth or is written down by your hand and viewable by other people, it can be scrutinized. That goes for more than just the literalistic. |
Did I imply otherwise? I don't get the feeling you are arguing with me or even replying to me, but quoting portions of my post to state something you're just itching to tell me. |
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