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History of Trance Music Book Released (pg. 10)
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| DISCJOCKEYLORD |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I think the onus is on the one trying to pass their writing off as worthy of academic consideration. That is why you have your thesis defence. It is up to you to support your arguments, not the other way around. The lack of sources even if it were anecdotal and based on people around at the time , which is not too bad if that is all you have , would be better than this.
The book is too short to actually deal with just plain definitions and concepts needed to talk about the topic and since there is no invocation of other literature, well it is kinda rubbish. |
Clooney: There is no thesis of defense. I'm not defending anything. It's also not a thesis. It's a historical account of the EDM scene from me living through the start of it. If my writing bothers you, then it proves you had your own ideas of Trance music, but didn't actually live through it. Trance came long before Global Underground. Trance came long before the Dutch scene. House came long before you. If you can't understand House, you can't understand the start of the rave scene, you can't understand the start of EDM, and you can't understand the history of Trance, end of story.
Sources do not exist, because my book is the first. There are absolutely no books dedicated to Trance House specifically, and Facebook doesn't count as a book. The books that did mention Trance, are referenced in the book, and deconstructed if it was needed.
I also have no need to explain myself to you or anyone. The book sells regardless of what you think. |
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| MSZ |
| This disgruntled troll reminds me of a certain character from the Toronto forum, also had aspergers. ***** IS ING BACK. |
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| DISCJOCKEYLORD |
I feel compelled Ishkur to deconstruct your beliefs, because you appear to be holding yourself out to the dance community as some sort of expert on the history of our EDM scene. Find here the first part. I'll respond to your other statements soon.
PART A
>You know what really helps sales and marketing for your book about >trance music? ....coming onto a trance forum and insulting everyone >there. That'll get you some sales.
I'm not insulting everyone. Only you and System-J, and any of his minions. People who like to project the image that they are experts but might be wrong. Oh oh!
I also read your guide in more detail. Parts are good, but there's very little academic merit. The scene didn't develop in a straight line and can't be fit perfectly in a box. Are you a computer programmer? Maybe this type of linear thinking is why you have your own projected manifestations about the scene and how it developed. Parts of your guide are right though.
>But you are unqualified.
This is your opinion only, and some biased minions of yours on this forum. Your opinion doesn't sway the public thankfully. I think my book made you feel upset because up to now, you thought you were the be all and end all of information about dance music. Few people for the last 10 years have posed any opposition to your pre-school online guide. Then out of nowhere I popped up, and you feel threatened because now your dick is in the wind.
>Instead of being all defensive and counter-accusatory, how about you >shut up, read some threads, and learn some things. This forum has >been around for 15 years. There are a lot of very smart people here >who have been involved in the scene for a very long time, some of >them in a very intimate capacity, and they have massive amounts of >personal experience and knowledge to impart if you'd just pay >attention instead of dismissing them as haters.
I'm not dismissing 'them' as haters, only YOU and SYSTEM J. I also am singling you out because you may cause a reduction in revenues with your temper tantrum about my book. Any business interference must be dealt with swiftly and abruptly.
Any smart people may contribute to the 2nd edition. As far as smart people, there were far more 'smart' people than you think who contributed to the book. People who were there, unlike you.
>I don't even know how you would qualify this, but it's wrong. Hip >hop is older and larger. And EBM, Italo, Dub, Electro, Hi NRG, R&B, >Funk, Garage, Soul, New Age, Spacesynth, Synthpop, Freestyle and >Techno all predate House.
Yes I now see that you were NOT part of the beginning of our EDM scene. I understand why you are frustrated now with my writing, because what you believed is now completely questioned. Please read the book carefully, and let the information sink in. Especially the section on House music. I will repeat this and read this carefully:
THE ENTIRE EDM RAVE SCENE WE HAVE TODAY CAME FROM HOUSE MUSIC. ENGLAND SPECIFICALLY WAS THE COUNTRY THAT SPREAD THE RAVE SCENE TO THE MASSES.
>The 4/4 beat is the basis of all western music and has been around >for literally hundreds of years! That you would make such a >statement displays not just an appalling level of ignorance >regarding music trends and demographics, but also toward music >theory and history.
The 4/4 beat existed in disco, but "EDM" the electronic sound, came from the House 4/4 beat. Disco was not 'mechanical'. Much House music was also completely instrumental. I don't care how long the 4/4 beat has been around, even if it came from classic music. When we talk about EDM, we are talking about raves, clubs, and DJing. And this came from House. I'm sorry this historical fact bothers you.
>Yes, EDM was first coined and used by TAs over 10 years ago to refer >to music that trance DJs played that couldn't realistically be >called trance anymore. It was mostly an internal term and it did not >refer to any genres that trance DJs didn't play (ie: techno, jungle, >breaks, dubstep, etc.)
Do you have any proof of this. Like a published source, and NOT a message board? Like did it appear in a book from Trance Addict? Your beliefs about Deadmouse are interesting. Do you have any proof of this other than from what he told you? Who published the articles, the dates?
>Trance House did not come from Chicago House. In fact, I think you >just made that up because that's the first time I've even heard of >it. You later say that it is a pseudonym for Progressive House, and >if that's the case, fine, but no one called it Trance House and >Progressive House still did not come from Chicago House at any rate. >It came from the UK and seven years later.
Outside of your own beliefs, do you have any proof to back this up? And how I might add could Trance House not have come from House if the first Trance records are House you moron. Progressive House was popularized in the UK. It actually came from Italian House more specifically, in addition to the other sources listed in my book. This was PRIOR to the first UK releases.
>You think Progressive Trance doesn't exist? >....oh my.
>Question: Have you even been to Discogs before?
Discogs is not an encyclopedic resource for sub-genre terminology or the legitimacy of it. Discogs also did not exist when the term Progressive Trance emerged, as my book explains. It's a buzz-word people use to describe Trance House.
>Trance did not come from House. It has almost nothing to do with >House and has a completely separate musical lineage.
If this is true then how can the first Trance releases actually have been House releases back in the day?
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| Sykonee |
| I'd love to see this guy try to prove his claims on a forum with bigger house and techno geeks than we have here. Maybe we should 'promote' it to RA or Discogs forums, just for the lulz. |
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| Sushipunk |
Ishkur with the ing smackdown.
And the response to it :stongue: |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
I feel compelled Ishkur to deconstruct your beliefs
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I don't have any beliefs. I only accept facts.
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
I'm not insulting everyone. Only you and System-J
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No, you're insulting everyone. With your book and your attitude. Seriously, your self-righteousness is offensive.
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
I also read your guide in more detail. Parts are good, but there's very little academic merit.
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You didn't read the disclaimer, did you?
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
This is your opinion only
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No, its fact: You are appallingly ignorant about damn near everything yet you think you aren't. The only people I know more ignorant than you but so confident in their ignorance are Creationists.
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
I think my book made you feel upset because up to now, you thought you were the be all and end all of information about dance music. Few people for the last 10 years have posed any opposition to your pre-school online guide. Then out of nowhere I popped up, and you feel threatened because now your dick is in the wind.
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Yeah, because you're the only ing guy who wrote a book about dance culture.
You are a god damn dumbass.
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
I also am singling you out because you may cause a reduction in revenues with your temper tantrum about my book. Any business interference must be dealt with swiftly and abruptly.
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Nobody will buy your book, not because of me, but because it's a terribly written piece of full of factual errors and complete gibberish.
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
Any smart people may contribute to the 2nd edition.
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Why would anyone want to polish a turd?
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
As far as smart people, there were far more 'smart' people than you think who contributed to the book. People who were there, unlike you.
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Like who?
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
THE ENTIRE EDM RAVE SCENE WE HAVE TODAY CAME FROM HOUSE MUSIC.
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Jungle didn't. Techno didn't. Breaks didn't. Electro didn't. Acid Jazz didn't. Hardcore didn't. Dubstep didn't. IDM didn't. Hip Hop didn't. Trance didn't. Funk didn't. R&B didn't. Psy didn't. Industrial didn't. Downtempo didn't. Ambient didn't. Miami Bass didn't. Dub didn't. Trip Hop didn't. Freestyle didn't. NRG didn't. Hardstyle didn't. Happy Hardcore didn't. Glitch didn't. .
All those things are played at raves.
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
ENGLAND SPECIFICALLY WAS THE COUNTRY THAT SPREAD THE RAVE SCENE TO THE MASSES.
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And at the time it did that, house was hardly played at raves (mostly Spiral Tribe-style hard tekno and oldskool rave hardcore, at the time just called rave music)
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
The 4/4 beat existed in disco, but "EDM" the electronic sound, came from the House 4/4 beat.
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What the does this even mean? EDM isn't a genre -- it's an umbrella descriptor for electronic music (the third such wave, behind "Techno" and "Electronica").
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
Much House music was also completely instrumental.
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House, when it started out in Chicago in the early 80s, was rarely instrumental.
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
Do you have any proof of this. Like a published source, and NOT a message board? Like did it appear in a book from Trance Addict? Your beliefs about Deadmouse are interesting. Do you have any proof of this other than from what he told you? Who published the articles, the dates?
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The earliest timestamp you will ever find on the term "electronic dance music" is this site right here.
You're not going to find it on any other forum, journal, article, magazine, book or news story because it didn't ing exist to the world at large. Why would a book about this site be any more valid that this site itself? Why are you asking for an external source to a primary source? Do you even know how historical records work?
As for Joel -- have you been paying attention? He's been ranting about EDM for the past eight years. Gee, maybe he should write a book about it.
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
Outside of your own beliefs, do you have any proof to back this up? And how I might add could Trance House not have come from House if the first Trance records are House you moron.
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No they weren't.
Once again: Have you even heard of Mark Reeder?
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
Progressive House was popularized in the UK. It actually came from Italian House more specifically, in addition to the other sources listed in my book. This was PRIOR to the first UK releases.
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This is the first Progressive House release
Once again: Have you even heard of Genesis P'Orridge?
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
Discogs is not an encyclopedic resource for sub-genre terminology or the legitimacy of it. Discogs also did not exist when the term Progressive Trance emerged, as my book explains. It's a buzz-word people use to describe Trance House.
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For once we agree on something: Discogs is not the sole arbiter of music genrefication, however it is useful as a--wait, did you just assert that because Discogs wasn't around when a genre came out, that means the genre doesn't exist? ...are you a ing retard?
Not that I like appeals to popularity, but I have yet to meet a single person who's ever called anything "trance house" in nearly 20 years of raving. However, I have been to whole raves dedicated exclusively to just "Progressive Trance", up to and including printing those words in 360pt 3D font on 2x2' flyers.
Learn some ing history
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
If this is true then how can the first Trance releases actually have been House releases back in the day?
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They weren't.
| quote: | Originally posted by DISCJOCKEYLORD
I WILL EDIT THIS LATER. NO TIME NOW. DUPLICATE TEXT MAY EXIST. |
No. Just stop. Stop and go away. No, better idea. Read these books:
They are much better written, much more thorough, and much more accurate and complete about the subjects they're talking about. And after you're done reading them, take a look at your own book, and maybe get some perspective about how shoddy, how amateurish, and how pathetic your attempt at an educational primer really is. |
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| DISCJOCKEYLORD |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
I'd love to see this guy try to prove his claims on a forum with bigger house and techno geeks than we have here. Maybe we should 'promote' it to RA or Discogs forums, just for the lulz. |
This is precisely the problem. Too many geeks talking about the beginning of a scene theynever took part in. Punters are defined as those who attended events. Of course personally knowing old djs of our scene was a tremendous help to write my book. Thanks also to all the trance addict respondents who provided positive comments and support to me offline. The trance scene is not completely dead. I still see a light at the end of the tunnel. |
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