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History of Trance Music Book Released (pg. 6)
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| Paradox Lost |
| quote: | | Dave Clarke for example, a misinformed Techno DJ, made some public comment at some point about Trance: "I think all trance DJs deep down are embarrassed by what they play. They take it on the chin! They know deep down they're playing watered-down techno." Dave Clarke's comment is false, add to the fact he knows very little about Trance. Trance has very little to do with Techno. His comment is also a falsity being that Trance is historically older than Techno. How could Trance be watered-down techno if it came before Techno. |
Oh my. If this is the quality of authorship I can expect, then I'm fairly certain I could learn more about Trance through a single post by SYSTEM-J or through a single entry on Sykonee's blog than I could through repeated reads and roundtable discussions of your book.
Dave Clarke. Made some public comment. At some point.
What could any possible citation on a remark like that possibly look like? |
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| Syntonic |
| Who the even validated your information? A 2nd edition? Will there be a flammable version? Stop ing with history please. |
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| Redd |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj christian
What we all could agree on is that trance hasn't aged very well. |
pop-trance hasn't aged well at all, i'd agree. on the other hand, classic pure trance is timeless. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I'd say the majority of the old Frankfurt trance has aged terribly. |
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| Woony |
| Agreed. It still has appeal today but it definitely sounds very dated. |
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| Floorfiller |
That's why we need :
Visions of Shiva - Perfect Day 2013 (DJ Tiesto vs Skrillex Remix)
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| thbb |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'd say the majority of the old Frankfurt trance has aged terribly. |
I don't understand what aging badly means when it comes to music. Do you simply mean that you don't like it? That you like it a lot less than you used to? Or perhaps that it wouldn't "fit in" with any modern club music? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by thbb
I don't understand what aging badly means when it comes to music. Do you simply mean that you don't like it? That you like it a lot less than you used to? Or perhaps that it wouldn't "fit in" with any modern club music? |
Well I think there are numerous ways in which anything can be "dated", but if I were to hastily bull a paradigm I'd say there are two main manifestations: technical and ideological, and I think early German trance is generally guilty of both of those. A lot of the records just sound hopelessly amateur and crude in light of what's followed, and a lot of the early 90s cyber-hippy futurist sentiments are just cringe-worthy 20 years on.
There are still some great records that came out of that scene, but I've noticed in the general backlash against Euro-trance everyone just swallowed the line that "pure", "classic" trance is infallibly brilliant just because it isn't Rank 1, and nobody who wants to retain their TranceAddict cred dares say that a lot of those Frankfurt records were just as corny as the stuff Armin plays today. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
the later german trance pretty did do the melodic stuff better than anyone else. All those production techniques were used years after. Not that they were german but it falls under the aegis of german trance but SHOKK , Flutlitch and Scot Project were pretty influential. I think they were more known by producers but they were monsters that killed the melodic trance thing. It was right after their peak that melodic trance pretty much just dropped off the map . I can only assume producers realized there was no point. Even the people that tried years later sound awful. It was when you started to get tracks that just didn't have a main melodic section anymore which continued for a good 5-8 years.
I would not characterize them as classic but say you were to draw a parrallel between classical music, the classics were in the mid 90s, then you had the late romantic period which was incredibly monumental and complex and forced everyone after to rethink music because there was no point in doing something that was perfected.
The classics are probably more important as milestones but later romantic styled stuff was undeniably better crafted. It isn't really a fair comparison tho because the guys in the mid 90s were trailblazers with very limited equipment. And although it sounds incredibly simple now compared to the guys that did it in the early 2000s, you can't really discount that without those early guys, you wouldn't have the later stuff. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
the later german trance pretty did do the melodic stuff better than anyone else. All those production techniques were used years after. Not that they were german but it falls under the aegis of german trance but SHOKK , Flutlitch and Scot Project were pretty influential. I think they were more known by producers but they were monsters that killed the melodic trance thing. It was right after their peak that melodic trance pretty much just dropped off the map . I can only assume producers realized there was no point. Even the people that tried years later sound awful. It was when you started to get tracks that just didn't have a main melodic section anymore which continued for a good 5-8 years. |
HOUSE ISLAND, I think we've found a suitable contributor for your second edition. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
you don't think SHOKK Flutlicht and Scot Project were important in any way ?\
On every production forum that was around which were not that many, as far as trance was concerned, these were the guys everyone was copying. every mainstream dj was canning their tracks. They pretty much filled the gap after the UK crash in 1999. They did what was done just a million times better. |
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