WE ARE PROTECTED BY THE BEST ACRONYMS IN THE WORLD
Lews
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Originally posted by enydo
Yeah, I'm so frustrated with this already because a person's lack of knowledge on how digital systems work becomes clear pretty quickly. The laws are NOT WRITTEN to account for the internet, and information tech the way it is used in our lives today.
This is good news generally though, as the public is sorta finally realizing that everything you do digitally, everything you do across a network, anything you sign up for, everything is logged. It's all stored by someone, mainly the companies who manage and run the services you're using. Read your terms of agreement, I'm sure you're forfeiting everything you claim to have a right to over to these companies.
The debate about digital rights and digital privacy is just beginning, and that's a good thing. It's about time people even cared at all.
BUT THE FOUNDING FATHERS WROTE THE LAW AND THEY WERE PERFECT AND ITS PERFECT AND WE CANT CHANGE IT AT ALL
zGoogleman
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
'Americans are ignorant because they are encouraged to be that way, whereas the Status Quo gets its way by keeping them as such' seems disingenuously vague and plodding through murky, conspiratorial waters. Nobody wants us to be dumb, it's just the easiest way for the few to profit from the many. Even the way I described this process (however redundantly) does not thoroughly encompass the ins and outs of the shadowplay incentive; because I don't know.
You know what would be funny? If you weren't profiting off Americans ignorance. You are part of the problem, hal. Seriously, one day someone-not like me-is going to kill you and your wife and kids. I can't wait for a day of justice to happen.
zGoogleman
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Originally posted by Lews
BUT THE FOUNDING FATHERS WROTE THE LAW AND THEY WERE PERFECT AND ITS PERFECT AND WE CANT CHANGE IT AT ALL
The way the law is interpreted now is that the government has agreed that in your household you will not be subjected to searches or eavesdropping. But in public places, it can happen.
And, once again, the story seems to be less than what was originally reported. Google's now said that when it receives a valid FISA order for information, the "secret" computer system it uses to get the required info to the NSA isn't some crazy server setup or dropbox... but secure FTP.
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“When required to comply with these requests, we deliver that information to the US government — generally through secure FTP transfers and in person,” Google spokesman Chris Gaither told Wired. “The US government does not have the ability to pull that data directly from our servers or network.”
The specifics of how tech companies are handing legally required data over to the NSA seems like much less of an issue than the breadth of the government's requests (and the non-PRISM request for all phone call records).
This is what happens when people start shooting from the hip, and seems to be increasingly prevalent in a society that is becoming evermore dependent upon social media. Too many people jump at the first headline rather than wait a few days for more information to come out before being outraged.
So, yeah, while they do have the ability to obtain most of your e-mails/FB posts/internet history, they cannot sit at their own computer, push one button, and have it all within seconds. Not only that, but because each company has to, essentially, "deliver" the data to the government, that means that the government isn't doing it blindly and reduces the potential for abuse by the government.
enydo
I think Glenn Greenwald is just a spazz.
srussell0018
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Originally posted by zGoogleman
You know what would be funny? If you weren't profiting off Americans ignorance. You are part of the problem, hal. Seriously, one day someone-not like me-is going to kill you and your wife and kids. I can't wait for a day of justice to happen.
:wtf:
Halcyon+On+On
Can someone please IP ban Alfi already?
Redd
zgoogle = alfi?
alfi aint that bad is he?
enydo
After reading more about this whole thing, I think the people that are still insanely pissed are just the people who don't understand technology.
The government is not "wiretapping" you. They are not listening in on anything. They simply ask the companies who host and house all this data to hand it over, and they comply.
This has been the case in telecommunications, at least, for a long time now.
srussell0018
Alfi sends people PMs with details about how he is going to murder them. He might think it's "trolling" but really it's just psychotic behavior.
zGoogleman
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Can someone please IP ban Alfi already?
you, I put up a lot from you. So just cause I want to see some justice in the world makes me a bad person? you. Seriously you you good for nothing child-killer.
