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WTF National Security Agency records all of the phone records of Verizon customers (pg. 7)
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| SYSTEM-J |
Nobody is actually listening in on your phone calls. The government does not care about the perverted you say to your girlfriend or where you get your weed from. They do not have time to listen in on your conversations. The enormous volumes of traffic they are monitoring are far too great. Your privacy is basically worthless, because nobody cares about your life in the first place.
As for the subject of voting, I consider it a complete and utter myth that it would make any difference to the introduction of such policies. This kind of thing will happen and continues to happen no matter which party or politician ends up in power, and there are far too many flaws on just about every level of the democratic system for good political policy to actually be consistently rewarded. The only merit voting has is to sustain the overall structure of democracy, whereby leaders must at least affect a pretext of caring for their people if they want to prolong their personal spasm of power. So don't worry about taking responsibility for anything, because you have no real influence anyway. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
When I'm actually being spied on.
How is your privacy being compromised? |
i don't mean to belabor the point, but when do you consider that you are spied upon? you don't consider this spying, but what does the government have to do so that you feel that you are spied upon. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
i don't mean to belabor the point, but when do you consider that you are spied upon? you don't consider this spying, but what does the government have to do so that you feel that you are spied upon. |
How the is this spying? Explain that to me before I waste anymore of my time replying to your insipid questions. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
As for the subject of voting, I consider it a complete and utter myth that it would make any difference to the introduction of such policies. This kind of thing will happen and continues to happen no matter which party or politician ends up in power, and there are far too many flaws on just about every level of the democratic system for good political policy to actually be consistently rewarded. The only merit voting has is to sustain the overall structure of democracy, whereby leaders must at least affect a pretext of caring for their people if they want to prolong their personal spasm of power. So don't worry about taking responsibility for anything, because you have no real influence anyway. |
100% agreed that voting makes no difference on these policies. Which is absolutely proved by the fact that both administrations and both parties have consistently voted to expand these powers. Now, in my opinion, the reason this will just keep happening is because it is necessary and a good thing.
I disagree that voting is only important for the overall structure, though. It is hugely important in local politics and domestic affairs. If no one had voted for the Tea Party heads, things would be a lot better. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
How the is this spying? Explain that to me before I waste anymore of my time replying to your insipid questions. |
the government is secretly collecting information. how can this not be spying? |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
the government is secretly collecting information. how can this not be spying? |
Ah, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were mentally handicapped.
Secretly collecting information is not spying. Spying is obtaining secret/confidential/private information without consent. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Ah, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were mentally handicapped.
Secretly collecting information is not spying. Spying is obtaining secret/confidential/private information without consent. |
the NSA secretly collected confidential/private metadata/logs without the consent or knowledge of the cell phone customers. how the is this not spying? |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
the NSA secretly collected confidential/private metadata/logs without the consent or knowledge of the cell phone customers. how the is this not spying? |
They have no idea whose data it is. They're just collecting all metadata. To actually connect it to a person requires a warrant. Then it becomes spying - and legal.
You do realize they're not listening to your calls or reading your texts, right? All they're doing is seeing what numbers called what other numbers, and saving that data, in case they need it later. |
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| Spacey Orange |
i just want to encourage everyone who's even remotely interested in this topic, to read the wiki article on the fourth amendment.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four...es_Constitution
There are a lot of scholarly sources out there but it will give anyone a general idea.
Sorry I got sidetracked on whether its spying or not. The issue is whether the broad searches violate the fourth amendment. Given my limited knowledge, I believe that they do.
Moreover, i think the NSA, in this instance, is a solution looking for a problem.
Finally, I think this is a part of a larger problem, that being, the military industrial complex President Eisenhower warned us about. |
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| saluyamo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
They have no idea whose data it is. They're just collecting all metadata. To actually connect it to a person requires a warrant. Then it becomes spying - and legal.
You do realize they're not listening to your calls or reading your texts, right? All they're doing is seeing what numbers called what other numbers, and saving that data, in case they need it later. |
If they have the number the calls are from then they know who said what.
How else would they be able to connect the data to the potential terrorists? |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by saluyamo
If they have the number the calls are from then they know who said what.
How else would they be able to connect the data to the potential terrorists? |
They aren't listening to the calls at all.
Furthermore here is a funny picture of me to derail this thread.
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