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WTF National Security Agency records all of the phone records of Verizon customers (pg. 6)
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Well I've never attended a caucus in my life and have only minimally voted in local elections, so at some point, we all have to take responsibility for each and every elected moron who continues to grind this country into a plutocratic, imperialist, pseudo-police state. |
Honestly its worse than that, they want to grind away any and all government, good and bad and leave us in an anarchistic hole of corporate fiefdoms and religious oligarchy. That is the goal of the right, break government to the point where it no longer can exist and it collapses. Throw the people on the will of the individual states and watch that collapse next. Then everyone is camping in Walmart parking lots (they already provide RV hook ups at most, so they are on ready to go!) and we have a society of serfs who will do their feudal lords business, you know inbetween the radicalized violence from every wackjob group in the country.
The older I get the more and more I take a stance that is more authoritarian. People can not be trusted to do the right thing individually, and they sure as hell can not do it in an unorganized mob that the radical right and the extremely radical left want in this country. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Reasonable expectation of privacy. |
I truly fail to see how American privacy is being taken away.
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
You know it's so very much more complicated than that. Don't try to justify the collateral damage to human life as self-defense, either. I don't disagree with the drone war on whole, but its implementation is going to have long term consequences we could only possibly fathom if we paid any attention to the mistakes of the past. |
I'm not going to apologize for going after AQ and their supporters. Yes, it's extremely unfortunate that civilians have died due to drone strikes, but their deaths are a small minority of what is a quite effective program - drones are much more effective and safer for everyone involved than either traditional aerial bombing or boots on the ground.
I'm sure there will be long term consequences, as that's how life works, but I'm not sure what study of the past would tell us what the consequences will be.
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Maybe not untrue; some situations call for mediators in our ever-globalized world. Isolation is not the answer. But drones in the Philippines? Come now, the only reason nobody calls us out for overreaching is because they are either afraid or profiting from it. Neither gives us any sort of moral high ground. |
A huge amount of people in the world profit from it. A lot of people who do protest do so because they are jealous. A small minority are afraid.
What's wrong with drones in the Philippines?
A hegemon's got to do with a hegemon's got to do. As I said: yes, we make mistakes, but we are overall a huge force for good in the world.
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Yeah, that is dumb, but I don't think he meant it in the accusatory tone in which it's being interpreted. Great power and great responsibility, etc. |
Well that's how it came across. |
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| Lews |
http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsro...urveillance-act
| quote: | PRISM is not an undisclosed collection or data mining program. It is an internal government computer system used to facilitate the government's statutorily authorized collection of foreign intelligence information from electronic communication service providers under court supervision, as authorized by Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) (50 U.S.C. § 1881a). This authority was created by the Congress and has been widely known and publicly discussed since its inception in 2008.
Under Section 702 of FISA, the United States Government does not unilaterally obtain information from the servers of U.S. electronic communication service providers. All such information is obtained with FISA Court approval and with the knowledge of the provider based upon a written directive from the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence. In short, Section 702 facilitates the targeted acquisition of foreign intelligence information concerning foreign targets located outside the United States under court oversight. Service providers supply information to the Government when they are lawfully required to do so.
The Government cannot target anyone under the court-approved procedures for Section 702 collection unless there is an appropriate, and documented, foreign intelligence purpose for the acquisition (such as for the prevention of terrorism, hostile cyber activities, or nuclear proliferation) and the foreign target is reasonably believed to be outside the United States. We cannot target even foreign persons overseas without a valid foreign intelligence purpose. |
tl;dr : OUR LIBERTIES ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY BY ORWELL |
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| Joss Weatherby |
I can't believe how ing much of a fit reddit is throwing over this stuff. Makes my head hurt to see how many ing retards there are.
Even worse the libertardians are using this as an impetus to push for even more removal of government. |
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| Lews |
| Literally the worst part about all this is how it has riled up the libertarians and other crazies. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| Freedom. Privacy. What awful concepts. |
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| Lews |
| If our freedom and privacy was being taken, you'd have a good point, but they're not, so you don't. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| You don't think that your privacy is being compromised? What is the line then, pray tell, at which your privacy is abridged? |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
You don't think that your privacy is being compromised? What is the line then, pray tell, at which your privacy is abridged? |
I absolutely don't think my privacy is being compromised. Tell me how it is. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
I absolutely don't think my privacy is being compromised. Tell me how it is. |
You already stated as much. I asked you at what point do you believe that your privacy would be compromised? |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
You already stated as much. I asked you at what point do you believe that your privacy would be compromised? |
When I'm actually being spied on.
How is your privacy being compromised? |
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| wotyzoid |
About voting...
Yes, I would agree that it's important. On a personal level mostly. But isn't kind of to our detriment that we elect officials with huge amounts of money from special interest groups behind them? Isn't it kind of useless that only people who know how to raise money have a shot a public office? Am I misinformed? |
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