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WTF National Security Agency records all of the phone records of Verizon customers (pg. 3)
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
I mean really though, just because they have all this data, does it feasibly mean they can do anything with it? |
It does rather seem that it would be inconvenient for them to circumvent constitutional rights (if they are indeed doing so) just to prosecute someone for suspicious activities (not that the NSA is in the business of prosecuting). I would think that in any case that would be brought to trial, the evidence would be dismissed and the case possibly even thrown out if things were illegally obtained. But maybe that is the darker aspect to all of this, is that their use of it is not intended for open trial, but to haul people off to extrajudicial detention centers where they can do whatever they want with them. Like READ THEIR MINDS. |
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| enydo |
| I do understand that argument, I just don't think it would actually happen. At least not currently. I find it more scary in the sense that as the government continues to do things like this, less and less people actually care, which makes out a very depressing future if things keep progressing this way. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
I find it more scary in the sense that as the government continues to do things like this, less and less people actually care, which makes out a very depressing future if things keep progressing this way. |
This. |
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| OrangestO |
| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
more scary |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
Encroachment has been an issue for decades, but I don't think it's been significantly altered beyond the gestalt of public access to communication. All the same, if there is a constitutional violation of rights here, the NSA needs to be called out for it right ing now, because calling them out is the only thing that balances the slippery slope into fascism. And they are being called out for it right here, right now, on TRANCEADDICT DOT COM.
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| enydo |
Technology, information technology, in particular, is a huge part of all this, and I think that in general, if we want the technology and services we all seem to be drifting towards, we are going to be giving up privacy.
These companies are no better than the government in that regard. Why do you think all these social media services are "free"?
//yeah, I realize my grammar there was terrible. YOO |
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| idoru |
| quote: | | "This is nothing particularly new. This has been going on for seven years under the auspices of the (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) authority and every member of the United States Senate has been advised of this," said Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., the top Republican on the intelligence panel. "To my knowledge we have not had any citizen who has registered a complaint relative to the gathering of this information, and it is simply what we call 'meta data.'" |
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...action/2396299/
We haven't complained because we haven't really been aware of it. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
so its outrageous that a government agency have access to the exact same information big business already has? end of the world stuff right there!
until hippy faggots start producing evidence of all the systemic evils perpetrated on unassuming citizens because of these warrants, im gonna yawn and go back to sleep. doing data analysis and looking for patterns and links between datasets is not the same thing as The Man listening into your phone call. |
This.
Boring news. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
I mean really though, just because they have all this data, does it feasibly mean they can do anything with it? |
If they find intelligence suggesting or proving that someone is a terrorist, they could go back and look at the meta-data and see who else they were in contact with, to try to root out cells and stuff like that. I'm sure there are other uses, too, but that's the primary use I can think of, off the top of my head. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| If you use Facebook or Google, they have more information on you than the NSA ever will. |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
If they find intelligence suggesting or proving that someone is a terrorist, they could go back and look at the meta-data and see who else they were in contact with, to try to root out cells and stuff like that. I'm sure there are other uses, too, but that's the primary use I can think of, off the top of my head. |
but Al Qaeda uses T-Mobile. Foiled again! |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
shut the up, hal!
7 years is a long time; where are all the examples of sinister misuse of said data? |
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