Conspiracy theories are, in many ways, much like modern day religions. They take a "gut feeling" interpretation of reality involving omnipotent, unseen powers in control of everything and reverse engineer all evidence to fit their initial preconception. The vast majority of your "facts" are simply things beyond your understanding, much like how religion in the past would take straightforward scientific phenomena and ascribe it as the work of God. Most of these "theories" are not deductive reasoning in the slightest - if you didn't have your superstitious paranoia in the first place, none of this "evidence" could possibly be taken seriously.
Look at TranceElevation's laughable claim that nobody actually died, and that they were all actors. The levels of contradiction and implausibility are off the chart.
1. Does he seriously, genuinely believe that 130 people did not die and that nobody on the planet is actually mourning them? That actually everybody who is claiming to have known one of the dead is also a paid actor? Did they pay off multi-millionaire professional footballer Lassana Diarra to pretend his cousin died in the attacks as well? The amount of people in on this conspiracy must run into the thousands.
2. Does he really believe that they would create fake social media accounts for some victims (but not others) and then deliberately put their occupations down as actors? Why? Why? Are we implying that they are fake, non-existent people, or that they're all paid actors who now have to assume a different identity and pretend they're dead for the rest of their lives?
3. What about all the witnesses, the paramedics, the people who tried to help, who ended up covered in blood? All paid-off actors as well? How many people are now involved in this conspiracy? Half the population of Paris, it seems.
4. Let's say we actually believe that "the elite" wanted to simulate a terrorist attack to create paranoia and allow them to control their own people, or justify another war, or whatever motivation you want to think of. It would be far, far easier, more simple and more credible for them to just arm some genuine extremists who actually went out and murdered a load of people and then were shot or blew themselves up. No actors who need to go into hiding, much less people involved, much less that can go wrong, actual dead people... And as PKC said, the elite are evil. They start wars for their own profit, they tear countries apart for their own purposes. Why would they have any problem murdering 130 people if their objective was to start a whole ing war?
The only "fact" here is that this whole idea is extremely ing stupid. Monumentally stupid. They've got a preconception that a conspiracy must have taken place and they have bent a bunch of minor gaps in information, a few slightly odd features of an incident, into a laughably, comically stupid evil plot. It's the logic of a child, or someone who at least has no real understanding of how the world works.
I have seen that kind of warning, but I think that is a little clearer then the one I was showing.
I like how you try to analyse me and act like you know me. But you commit the same fault you are condemning. You make the world, and peoples minds simple. Everybody isn't the same. It's obvious "you people" instead of a friendly discussion, where you really try to understand, and listen, prefer to follow your "gut feeling" and rather make up our mind about people without giving them a chance.
I could say you "reverse engineer all evidence to fit your initial preconception" about so called conspiracy theorists, a belittling name everyone that questions things can be sure to be labeled with.
I seriously don't know why some people believes that noone died in the attack. But I am sure there are a lot of dis info floating around. Personally I can't understand why they would need to go through all the trouble, as you say, they do not care about lives, war is a proof of that.
But I can't say for sure that people died, I wasn't there, and I do not know anyone who was there. So I will give it the benefit of a doubt. Why? Because if I made up my mind before I knew, I would miss the truth if it was more screwed up then I initially believed.
Jon_Snow
Holy you morons still arguing with that moron.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by SherlockCrash
I could say you "reverse engineer all evidence to fit your initial preconception" about so called conspiracy theorists, a belittling name everyone that questions things can be sure to be labeled with.
I don't really give a if you think that. You're only saying it out of desperate self-defence and wounded pride. I'm not naive enough to believe that governments don't commit subterfuge or ethically or legally dubious acts. I know that they are behind coups and assassinations, that they back and arm terrorist groups, that they go to war for reasons purely of self-interest that they disguise with more publicly palatable justifications. All of these things are the real "conspiracies" but they happen as part of complex geo-political pictures. More often than not they come to light with hard evidence: leaked documents and first-hand testimonies.
Anyone who is politically and historically aware knows all these things can and do happen. But there's a big difference between these rational, credible and factually-verified instances and the kind of tosh we've listened to in this thread. Conspiracy theorists are people who lack the intelligence or knowledge to understand the global political situation and instead have this cartoonish, laughable little view of "the elite" controlling the whole world behind the scene, enacting their preposterous schemes that a James Bond villain would discount as too silly to attempt. And then they have brass balls to turn around and cry out that we're "sheep" for finding them so risible.
Probably the most irritating thing about conspiracy theorists is this smugness, this self-congratulation, the arrogance of the idiot who's too stupid to understand reality and thinks he's smarter than everyone else for seeing things differently. Why did Trance Elevation keep pushing his agenda in this thread, over and over again, when nobody was interested and everyone was openly mocking him? He needed an audience, he needed to tell someone that he knew more than them. Conspiracy theorists are never content to just go sit with each other and agree about the New World Order. They need the self-validation that comes from lecturing the "sheep" on how things really are.
The prosaic truth is that we do question things, and we do know that governments and corporations are capable of being devious s. However, we know how it actually happens, and we find these modern-day myths to be absolutely ridiculous, especially when accompanied by the trademark arrogant delivery of those who espouse them.
Trance-M
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Originally posted by SherlockCrash
I have seen that kind of warning, but I think that is a little clearer then the one I was showing.
I bet you don't drive a lot in a river, in this case the LA River if I'm not mistaken. Could be that bridge is lower than others, so that would be a logical explanation for it, regardless that it's not a road.
SherlockCrash
No I say it because it is true.
You are a comedian right? I love it when you talk about smugness and arrogance like you don't have any. Maybe that joke could make you famous.
SherlockCrash
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Originally posted by Trance-M
I bet you don't drive a lot in a river, in this case the LA River if I'm not mistaken. Could be that bridge is lower than others, so that would be a logical explanation for it, regardless that it's not a road.
Who knows. In my opinion there is some possible explanations too why that warning could be there.
Trance-M
I don't now why they think they need to make a trailer for this, but regardless of that the comments again will definitely make some people feel bad and likely also angry:
JEO
This thread is probably cancerous by now.
Maybe next let the conspiracy theories of the attacks being a publicity stunt for Eagles of Death Metal commence.
SherlockCrash
No comments about the training exercises? I found one more, this is from Norway, the day Anders Breivik supposedly got on his rampage on Utøya.
Alle tjenestemennene fra beredskapstroppen som deltok i Regjeringskvartalet etter bilbomben og senere kom i land på Utøya og pågrep Anders Behring Breivik, hadde tidligere samme dag og i dagene i forveien deltatt i trening på et helt likt scenario.
Excuse the computer translation, but you get the point:
"All the officials from the emergency squad that participated in the Government quarter after car bomb and later arrived in the country on the Utoya island and arrested Anders Behring Breivik, had earlier the same day and in the days ahead participated in training on a exactly the same scenario."
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Bare 26 minutter etter at treningen for beredskapstroppen ble avsluttet, gikk bilbomben av i Regjeringskvartalet. Beredskapstroppen var tidlig på plass.
"Only 26 minutes after the training for the emergency was completed, the car bomb went off in the Government quarter. Emergency squad was early on the location."
-"Just to get this right. You were actually working today, on an exercise that envisioned virtually this scenario?"
-"Almost precisely".
The interviewer then finish it off by saying: "How extraordinary today must feel for you as it unfolds".
It might seem extraordinary and unlikely for the weak minded, who can blame him. I didn't know there was some kind of hidden rule of nature that training exercises almost always coincide with real attacks.
To make this post full, and to give System-J and his minions something to laugh about and direct attention to I will add this:
It's from the new Bond movie, and the logo of the criminal syndicate, SPECTRE, who infiltrate MI6, the British intelligence service, and right under the nose of the population, constructs a extensive surveillance system, that can reach everyone, and everywhere. They symbolise this with a octopus, a intelligent creature, that can reach everywhere with its tentacles.
This is the logo of a satellite that was launched from the US in 2013, called NROL-39:
