Originally posted by Lira
Got any concrete examples to share?
Pfft, who needs that?
Trance-M
Just wondering, are all location-less people here trolls?
I didn't view it yet, but here is the interview with the Eagels of Death Metal:
Lira
Gotta feel for them. If I were a musician and I had people killed in one of my concerts, even if I had nothing to do with it, I'd feel I'm the guiltiest person on Earth :(
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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Pfft, who needs that?
I was going to say "Sorry, I mean Youtube videos", but then I realised you can well have a Youtube video with no connection to reality whatsoever :p
soulstar606
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Got any concrete examples
i gave a perfect example of the 93 year old german woman, you can find it earlier in the thread.
Alex
Lira, man, I know your type. You want to give people the benefit of the doubt, but soulstar and that other industrial inhaler aren't worth anyone's time.
Like I said in my last post, if these people were to stop and think for a minute between pizza pockets, YouTube videos and covering the windows with foil, they'd realize how absurd it is to suggest that governments worldwide are operating at such a high level of secrecy.
It's been decades since JFK was shot, it's been 14 years since 9/11, yet with all the readily available information accessible by just about everyone, why have NONE of these theories been confirmed by someone who is adept at investigations?
I'm sorry, but I can't possibly believe that any government in the Western world could have been planning like this for so long without it being made public.
Even Richard ing Nixon got caught spying on his rivals and that guy was a secret loving, power hungry son of a bitch.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by Alex
industrial inhaler
:stongue::stongue:
Mr.Mystery
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Originally posted by soulstar606
I take pride in my ignorance.
soulstar606
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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
well....yes....it's no coincidence that all 3 lightning replies to my latest post are from people on my ignore list.
;)
ignorance is bliss
i'm not trying to convince anyone....that most crisis events are holograms (facilitated by extra dimensional entities)...i dont care what you think...you can think whatevr you want...thats what i think...
i do however think the paris event is a tragedy on multiple levels.
Lira
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Originally posted by Alex
Lira, man, I know your type. You want to give people the benefit of the doubt, but soulstar and that other industrial inhaler aren't worth anyone's time.
Yeah, I do... And I guess you're right. I'm running in circles here.
Lira
All right, I'll try to explain this one bit because I asked for concrete facts so it's only fair I offered some myself:
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Originally posted by soulstar606
In Germany two days ago, this 87 year old german academic woman, just got sentenced to jail for 10 months for asking too many questions about the holocaust fable.
She wasn't jailed for "asking too many questions about "the Holocaust fable". For starters, let talk about freedom of speech for a second.
Since the dawn of liberal theory (and I'll give John Stuart Mill as your quintessential modern liberal), there's been one big limit to freedom: Harming others. In English speaking countries (following Mill's lead), you're free to say "Kill the Bhutanese!" if you hate people from Bhutan for whatever reason... As long as you're not in front of Bhutanese immigrants inciting a mob to lynch them. That's because, in the former case, you're just stating your opinion and no one is directly in harm's way; however, in the latter case, the immigrants are about to get hurt.
The problem is, Anti-Semitism had been something of a problem in Germany for centuries (and there were some puzzling cases like Karl Marx who, in spite of his Jewish ancestry, was quite Anti-Semitic himself at times). Then Nazism happened. Let's just say that, from that moment on, saying "Down with the Jews" in Philadelphia and Bremen had very different consequences: If you're in America, you're like the nutter who offers no peril to the Bhutanese immigrants from the previous paragraph... But in Germany, this carries a lot of weight.
Don't take my word for it. Not only are there hundreds of scholarly works about the Holocaust (I've linked to Wikipedia for convenience, but et me tell you, it's quite hard to make up "fables" in academia and not get shot down soon, specially at this scale when the stakes are high), there's a quite rich variety of material proof (good luck explaining Auschwitz otherwise), and the German chancellor herself said it was Germany's fault when Netanyahu tried to abuse history. She owned up to it and countries are seldom that open and sincere about their cock-ups.
Back to German liberalism. Saying the Holocaust didn't happen is an offence under the German criminal law because there's a history of saying this to downplay the acts of National Socialism and Anti-Semitism, making their targets (Jews) vulnerable among the general population, so they're protected for exceptional reasons.
In short, saying the old German woman was jailed because she was on the cusp of finding out the Holocaust didn't happen is quite a distortion of the truth. To deny the Holocaust is akin to refusing to believe Europeans came to the Americas - she was jailed because there's enough reason to believe it did happen and bringing it up often serves causes that expose vulnerable scars in Germany. Not comparable to what happened to Manning, Assange, and Snowden at all.
pkcRAISTLIN
speaks a million languages yet is slow as sometimes. i dont know what you think you're doing marcus, but it's a waste of ing time!
Lira
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
speaks a million languages yet is slow as sometimes. i dont know what you think you're doing marcus, but it's a waste of ing time!
He asked politely for my opinion, and I had not given one in this thread yet, so I thought it would be only fair if I wrote a post.
