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| Godking5 |
Allow me to shed some light on things which will hopefully help people better understand the situation. Also , whoever said it was a "black flag" incident... i have never heard that term before and i could e wrong, but i think you mean "false flag"
1) How does Isis have its funding and power?
a) They control some very rich oil fields in syria and other parts of the middle east. They seized control of the oil fields in syria during the civil war. Also it is likely to assume they have powerful donors.
b)Other Funds Isis has is most likely due to wreckless foreign policy by other countries including Saudi Arabia and U.S and U.S allies who funded rebel groups to topple Assad.
c) Drug money. Again it would be logical to assume Isis also derives some of it funding via the drug trade into south eastern asia and other parts of the region, probably russia too. Al Queda has before used some serious drug trafficking as a source for its capital, and considering ISIS is an offshoot of Al Queda, its safe to assume the same
2) How was ISIS formed?
a) Isis was an offshoot of Al Queda. Al queda cut ties off with ISIS citing "they were too extreme" . You know its bad if the extremists are calling other people extreme.
b) If you were to go back further , you would see that the invasion of Iraq and toppling of Saddam was the catalyst that literally took things from a) relegated to this area of the world to b) global terror cell as we know it today. When Saddam was toppled, it created the vaccum in the area. There were also alot of other contextual factors such as unfavorable ground occupation by U.S troops and a long deep history of extreme interpertation of the Quaran in the area. Say what you want about Saddam, he was a monster and also strangely enough , an old U.S ally who was funded by the states in the Iraqi-Iran War of the 80s-90s, BUT he was able to stabilize the area.
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3) The mind that is modern day Syria?
a) This region has alot of history and im going to skip over most of it. Just know, the entirety of the middle east is known for an midevil interpretation of the Quaran. Its the same as having a "old testament" interpretation of the bible.
a) Previously the US has played a role in supporting rebels to overthrow Libiya lead Ghaddaffi. This even left the area in turmoil, and made it a more dangerous place for extremism . But these CIA black ops go back further than Libiya . Im talking back to the cold war era. South America in particular is a continent known to be littered with dead heroes. U.S has supported multiple rebel factions and death squads so long as they were "anti communist" in an effort to weaken USSR's influence in the south american regions. One notable example is the "Iran Contra Affair".
b) Enter "Arab Springs" incident. Civil war breaks out in Syria. Russia and iran are backing Assad. United States , Saudis, and other western nations are backing the enemies of Assad aka the multiple factions of rebels. Also enter "false flag" events of chemical warfare, the rebels claimed Assad did. These were political ploys to hurt his international reputation.
c) The western nations supported the rebels but did so extremely wrecklessly, CIA sponsored war lords and black ops provided weapons and funding to the rebels. The west was more concerned with overthrowing Assad than it was , discerning exactly who they were supporting. There were multiple rebel factions fighting for power in Syria. Of those multiple rebel factions, one was ISIS.
d) Thus as ive said through wreckless foreign policy, the west supported the growth and uprising of Isis.
e) One could even conclude that this is all connected to a) Need to maintain Geo political control and influence in the middle east which is not only oil and resource rich, but at a militarily strategic position . The region is close proximity to numerous super powers, US allies, and growing super powers which threaten to affect the status quo of global powers,
f) For economic , political, and militaristic regions, increased presence and influence in the middle east has been wahsingtons agenda since before the neocons. One can also conclude that the middle east is also a proxy war to fight against emerging super powers in the area and not have the balance of power shifted/tipped.
3) How did Isis get ALL that power ? Jackpot, question of the day!
a) Answer 1 is through Reckless Foreign Policy by the West , America and Europe. As emntioned above the west supported a wide variety of rebel factions, SOME of which were really really bad people. They did this because they have a history of doing this. Happened in South America. Happened in Lbiya. Happened elsewhere too,
b) Answer 2 is in part Marginalization and lack of Assimilation by European Countries of Muslim Immigrants. Isis recruiting is so effective because young european muslims live a life in europe. There is a large degree of racism, and lack of assimilation. Part of it is institutional racism , other parts are economic inequality, etc, These are the kinds of conditions which create "young and pissed off people" which for anyone that studies psychology, persuasion, and influence make IDEAL PEOPLE to recruit. And once youve been recruited, escape is near impossible. Fear of death for non compliance to authority is a powerful motivator. Dont believe me, look no further than WW2, where plenty of normal germans found themselves bending to the will of a madman, and complying to authority under dear of death if they do not.
c) Fear Tactics by Isis and humans conforming because well...when humans are scared thats what they do, Whose studied basic psychology here? The Milgram . experiments. Also reference my previus example about Nazi Germany above |
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| Godking5 |
ISIS needs to be destroyed but its incredibly tricky. The best strategy seems to be a mix of :
a) boots on the ground to reclaim and hold terrain
b) Airstrikes and raids
Just bombing the out of everyone is not the answer and will only help ISIS grow in power as it will make them easier to recruit other young impressionable people.
As well , increase xenophobia is not the answer either because it will produce the same result above.
The war is idealogical. And a large part of it will be fought and battled over via the internet, propaganda, false flags to discredit groups , etc, The majority of the fighting in my opnions needs to be taken up by moderate islam. They need to defeat their idealogical extremist counterparts. But considering the weird affilaitions of sunni and shia , its very complex. Not to mention muslim laws are strange about muslim vs muslim killing, Truthfully, i wish the middle east in large was more secular and there was a powerful secular force in the region that wasnt bound to theocratic rule.
The ultimate tragedy is the syrian people whom fled the country to get away from the madness of war and extremists , but not now have been very negatively stigmatized. You cant help but think this is apart of ISIS plan. They DO NOT want people to leave, they wan to establish a caliphate and rule over people. If people are fleeing, then that alone weakens the Islamic State. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Godking5
They DO NOT want people to leave, they wan to establish a caliphate and rule over people. |
They want to establish a caliphate over the entire world and rule over everyone. They also use women as sex slaves and have recently massacred about 200 children. No change in policy from any country whatsoever will change their ideology, agenda or savagery. |
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| planetaryplayer |
| ^ good reads as i don't really follow politics at all |
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| DJ RANN |
What swamper and godking said;
What most people don't realize that ISIS as we know it is mainly made up of Baathist's from Iraq. They were Saddam's infrasctructure and when we removed him and replaced all these guys (who were used to unfettered power and money) with Sunnis and Shiites, they were pissed but loaded (in both ways).
This is about power and control. There's a vacuum in the middle east in many places and alluded to just above, ISIS are desperate for the chickenhawks in DC to rain freedom down on the middle east, and this attack on Paris will mean western leaders, starting with France, will have a disproportionate response, resulting in thousands of dead civilians - it's the perfect recruitment tool for ISIS.
The only thing that pisses me off more was that 250 people were killed in Beirut right before the Paris attack and not a single major news outlet even gave it a 10 second mention.
Oh and whoever was talking all ths bollacks about the "bomb" in paris. It was a propane cannister with nails and ball bearings taped to it. Nothing you can't buy at nay hardware store.
As for AK47's being "difficult to get"? Give me a ing break. They have made over 100 million of them. That's nearly two AK47's for every person living in france. Smuggling some in from Africa, Russia or the middle east probably happens on a daily basis in every european country. Don't need reptillian overloads to mastermind a few guys with home made bombs and cold war era guns.
Get a ing grip. |
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| Jon_Snow |
| What's your point? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
The only thing that pisses me off more was that 250 people were killed in Beirut right before the Paris attack and not a single major news outlet even gave it a 10 second mention. |
not that it changes your point, but it was less than 50. |
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| Jon_Snow |
| Same reason it isn't headline news when someone gets shot in the ghetto. |
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| Sushipunk |
| The Beirut killings were reported in the news here :conf: |
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| Jon_Snow |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
The Beirut killings were reported in the news here :conf: |
Ahhh stu you ruined it. He was just hitting his stride in full preach mode. |
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| Redd |
| it was reported here as well. it's not as close so we don't care as much. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
not that it changes your point, but it was less than 50. |
Typo, and you're right, it doesn't. If it wasn't for BBC america and PBS, it never existed here in the US. |
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