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The illegal war is on :: denounce America’s imperialism ! (pg. 21)
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJLocoMoco
Noam Chomsky's work, it's quite interesting. |
I agree it's interesting. I've read many of his works...
But he isn't that unbiased (but then again, who's works aren't - everybody has an opinion/cause to push)..
Ok, I'm too tired to debate.. We should have a TA debate night at the UCC's Great Hall or something.. lol. ;)
Wee! |
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| contemplator |
| Truth is the foundation to happiness and justice... I'm sure both the Americans and Sadaam have had and still do have their share of hidden truths (maybe even facts that we are unaware of right now) , and misleading lies (they are not the only ones, and this is the reason why world peace is unlikely) . When things as such goes too far, its too late to turn back, and the war today is the consequence. I cannot say much about this war because I am not as educated as many of you are. And for protesteers who behave so disobedient/negatively, those actions would only adds more support to the injustice, which contradicts everything they are fighting for. I must also say this has been a very interesting post, lol, and it shouldn't matter who's wrong or right, as long as we are getting closer to the truth. |
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| Ray_Finkle |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Stuff which I am most of the other pro-deposing of Saddam people have been trying to say all along |
Sorry rabbitjoker, what you just said makes too much sense to be in this thread. Also, LKD, you think that because I have no experiance living in the middle east makes me automatically wrong and you concede to the exact same points that I make when other people ask you. Is it really hard to type something into google and find out some information on it.
Honestly LKD, you have contributed nothing of relevence to this thread. Am I and others just supposed to take your word for it that something happened? Of course not. You were the one that initiated all the derogatory remarks in this thread and sent it off course. As I was looking back a couple of pages, I even see that you start calling oceanlab a "racist" when what he said had clearly nothing to do with him being racist. I don't know what else I can do here. I am obviously not here to try and tell you that your opinions are wrong, I as well as others that are on this side of the debate are merely trying to explain our point and we are doing that with quotes. I would love for you to justify your side. I would really love it, but you aren't giving any proof. Would you write a formal english essay on Shakespeare without referencing the text? No, you would get burned for it. That's what you are doing. The only one being juvenile here is you and not only is it hurting your credibility, but it is also hurting your side's ability to get its message out. You can call me a sperm or whatever all you like but the fact of the matter remains, HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT GETTING SADDAM OUT OF POWER. ANSWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTION. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ray_Finkle
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Stuff which I am most of the other pro-deposing of Saddam people have been trying to say all along
Sorry rabbitjoker, what you just said makes too much sense to be in
this thread. |
Um, maybe it's that I'm too tired talking but I did a search of the quote I said I can't remember it. I'm not saying you disagree though, I'm just not sure I said what you quoted.
Can you post my whole post, so I can recall the context (even though I feel you agreeing with me).
Thanks! ;) |
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| Ray_Finkle |
| Yeah I was just saying that your post made a lot of sense and was well constructed. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ray_Finkle
Yeah I was just saying that your post made a lot of sense and was well constructed. |
Oi! No need to find the post then . This is a complex situation - no answer is 100% right, but an answer has to be had, for the betterment of word and mostly the betterment of the poor people of Iraq. I hope Iraq becomes the powerful, democratic nation that it should be (with all it's resources) - they deserve it after so many years of hardship/repression. |
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| dEsidEL |
to the pro-war TOTA's:
how successful will a post Saddam government be in Iraq (considering rival Shiite, Suni, and Kurdish Muslim groups)?
referring to this article:
http://www.time.com/time/world/arti...00.html?cnn=yes
to the anti-war TOTA's:
If you were a citizen of Iraq, would you take up arms or accept US control willingly? |
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| brunette |
| ..yes, it would be more peaceful without Saddam in power... but the world would be so much more peaceful without Bush in power |
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| DJ El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
to the anti-war TOTA's:
If you were a citizen of Iraq, would you take up arms or accept US control willingly? |
to everyone:
If u were in ur own homeland, and ordered to leave ur own country and never come back by someone from a totally different country, would you?? |
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| TranceGeek |
i haven't followed the thread right from start, so most of the things i'll mention here have probably been beaten to death, but anyway, i can't resists jumping in on this... ok, lets see...
kurds shouldn't be worried about saddam, they should be worried about turkey (remember the genocide that was committed on them by turkey? i can't remember the exact figure, i know that the number was really high) and isn't it convenient how now turkey can continue that genocide since US allowed them to go into northern iraq in exchange for using turkey's airspace and $30 billion... oh yeah, thats great democracy/politics... but thats ok, you won't hear that on cnn or anywhere else on US tv, so it must not be true then, right?
| quote: | Originally posted by oceanlab
i didn't even want to get involved but it just makes me mad that people are so ignorant sometimes. the war is clearly legal and justified. |
i fail to see how it is LEGAL and JUSTIFIED... please elaborate on this...
| quote: | | why is saddam firing cruise missiles if he said he didn't have any? |
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| quote: | | A person with an IQ over 30 would realize that to the rid the country of weapons of mass destruction there would need to be a regime change and that this in turn would free the Iraqi people. |
first of all, he never had cruise missiles... second of all, the first gulf war destroyed 98% of iraq's infrastructure, and with iraq being under sanctions for the past 12 years, where would he get the resources or the industry to build up his chem/bio/nuke weapons, or anything else even remotely having to do with his military... which brings up another point, now that the coalition forces have closed in on baghdad, why haven't we seen any of those "weapons of mass destruction", that iraq allegedly posseses, brought out and shown to the public?
| quote: | Originally posted by oceanlab
I still think Iraq needs to be changed. I don't really give a fu.ck who does it, but it seems that only the US has balls. So maybe, and this is gonna piss you off, maybe the US deserves to take that OIL (not that they are, and you DON'T know otherwise because it hasn't happened yet), maybe they deserve to take it as a reward for liberating a nation that is wartorn and bankrupt despite the obvious wealth they possess. |
that was the most ignorant comment i've read in a long time... good job, it must have taken you a lot of time glued in front of cnn to come up with that...
| quote: | Originally posted by sexy_manbeast
The US do have weapons of mass destruction but they haven't taken over any country such as Iraq had done to Kuwait. |
they don't have to take over anything, why would they? it's much easier to topple a goverment that doesn't conform to them, put in place their own people and begin the explotation of that country's resources and people... |
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| oceanlab |
TranceGeek: all of your questions and delusions have been covered in the previous pages.
as to the events that have unfolded in the past 24 hours, marines have taken casualties resulting from incidents involving surrender flags being raised followed minutes later by artillery fire which hit troops moving in to take POW. that's pretty fu.cked up. i wouldn't expect the allied forces to hold back, after today, from firing on Iraqis that are attempting to surrender. also as to parading the corpses and hostages taken from an attack on US servicemen (not combatants) in rear supply chains, well that is just something i expect from the sand rodents who rule Iraq. |
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