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The illegal war is on :: denounce America’s imperialism ! (pg. 27)
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| DJ El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
has anyone seen the documentaries on CBC - The Passionate Eye on "The War Behind Closed Doors" and the Patriot Missile scandal .. ? |
ya ive seen both
and right now theres an excellent historical documentary on iraq entitled "Oil in Iraq: Curse or Blessing"
in the patriot missle documentary, it shows how Hussein is not the onlly liar but so was Bush Sr. who lied to his own people |
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| Ray_Finkle |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGeek
Assasination of Archduke Ferdinand triggered WW1, and coincidentaly, he was assasinated in my hometown, Sarajevo. |
AHHHHHHH I AM AN IDIOT!! Why did I think it was WW2? Oh well, I knew he was assasinated in Sarajevo and I did know it was WW1, HONESTLY!! |
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| discojoe |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
:rolleyes:
could u please quote teh posts that show hatred to american PEOPLE??
how can u assume that war is the answer...all this war is doin now is hightening the threat of more terrorist attacks against America.
in the past 12 years, the budget for the Iraqi Army was reduced from 22.5 billion to a mere 1.2 billion. i dont see a threat on such a low budget
if Hussein really needs to be removed from power (as we all agree on), there is something known as international court of Justice (which America refuses to be part of because they have political figures that would be tried under that court).
if the US had the intention of killing Hussein (which its obvious they always had), they couldve simply assasinated him and his right hand men and have a few deaths as compared to putting the rest of Iraq in danger and killing hundreds of civilians.
the reason why the assassination alternative is not being used is because if it was used, the US would not be able to take the blame for it because they would benifit nothin. i.e. theyre puppet would not be put into power and they would not be able to "capture" and "secure" teh oil wells as they are doing now for their own purposes |
Alright so you present the option of assassination. I have identified three problems as I see it.
1. As was mentioned before, under american and international law this is strictly forbidden. If they did execute Saddam Hussein i am sure criticisms would be just as great in America and in the international community as they currently are. Also be aware that once war was waged, they did try to assasinate Saddam and his leadership elite trying to avoid a long drawn out and bloody war.
2. The second problem with assassination is simply that Saddam Hussein has been very difficult to locate. He has numerous look-alikes acting as decoys and has proven to be very elusive from American intelligence. You can be assured that if they could assassinate him now, throughout the course of this war, to save American and Iraqi civilian lives they would.
3. And this being the stongest. As you said the americans probably opted not to assassinate because of the inability to place a puppet government. While this is likely a strong motive, you have to look at the effect for Iraq and not just the Americans. If the leaders were assassinated nobody would have control over who takes power within the country. Who would replace him? What would happen if the next leader or the next government was just as oppressive or even more so than Saddam's regime. The last thing the Iraqi people need is another dictator which is what would very likely arise. Without some kind of international assistance it would be next to impossible to establish a stable democracy overnight. It is very likely that nothing would be accomplished and the Iraqi people would return back to square one.
Alright, so that is the situation as I see it. Again I ask what alternatives does the world and the American government have? How should Saddam be dealt with? What is the best solution that incorporates both the Iraqi people and American civilians? |
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| dEsidEL |
just curious as to how long everyone here spends each day reading war threads and posting replies .. ?
almost every msg board i post on has war threads rite now regardless of the websites' subject area. i'm just finding it almost impossible to keep up now without wasting away my whole day which i don't find to be quite appealing and quite sad if i could add.. |
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| USMC_Greg |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
ya ive seen both
and right now theres an excellent historical documentary on iraq entitled "Oil in Iraq: Curse or Blessing"
in the patriot missle documentary, it shows how Hussein is not the onlly liar but so was Bush Sr. who lied to his own people |
Yes, I like that show because it shows me the evils of the U.S. throughout history. Some very good documentaries over the years.
Quite frankly I'm really opposed to alot of what the Americans have done in the past. But this war is for a just cause. The Americans are right here.
When choosing between two evils I try to go for the lesser of the two. |
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| dEsidEL |
George W. Bush: Mr. Saddam Hussein, by mandate of the District of Columbia Precrime Division, I'm placing you under arrest for the future proliferation of WMD to terrorists and their subsequent murder of US citizens that was to take place today, April 22 at 0800 hours and four minutes.
John Anderton: Why'd you catch that?
Danny Witwer: Because it was going to fall.
John Anderton: You sure?
Danny Witwer: Yeah.
John Anderton: But it didn't. Because you caught it. The fact that you stopped it from falling doesn't mean it wasn't going to fall.
hrmmz.. the concept of pre-emption is funny sometimes .. |
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| TranceGeek |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
George W. Bush: Mr. Saddam Hussein, by mandate of the District of Columbia Precrime Division, I'm placing you under arrest for the future proliferation of WMD to terrorists and their subsequent murder of US citizens that was to take place today, April 22 at 0800 hours and four minutes.
John Anderton: Why'd you catch that?
Danny Witwer: Because it was going to fall.
John Anderton: You sure?
Danny Witwer: Yeah.
John Anderton: But it didn't. Because you caught it. The fact that you stopped it from falling doesn't mean it wasn't going to fall.
hrmmz.. the concept of pre-emption is funny sometimes .. |
sometimes, but not in this case |
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| Wurm |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
they would not be able to "capture" and "secure" teh oil wells as they are doing now for their own purposes |
When it comes to motives, all you have is pure specualtion. |
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| DJ El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Wurm
When it comes to motives, all you have is pure specualtion. |
but isnt saintly George Bush running on speculation as well?? u support him tho, why would i be wrong then?? |
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| DJ El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
George W. Bush: Mr. Saddam Hussein, by mandate of the District of Columbia Precrime Division, I'm placing you under arrest for the future proliferation of WMD to terrorists and their subsequent murder of US citizens that was to take place today, April 22 at 0800 hours and four minutes.
John Anderton: Why'd you catch that?
Danny Witwer: Because it was going to fall.
John Anderton: You sure?
Danny Witwer: Yeah.
John Anderton: But it didn't. Because you caught it. The fact that you stopped it from falling doesn't mean it wasn't going to fall.
hrmmz.. the concept of pre-emption is funny sometimes .. |
yea have to get teh minority report to prove teh facts now huh??
:stongue: k:stongue: |
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| Wurm |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
but isnt saintly George Bush running on speculation as well?? u support him tho, why would i be wrong then?? |
America is neither right, nor wrong all of the time.
Eventually, after saying 'or else' for so long, something must be done. I am not judging my support for elimination of a despot based on the company I may keep in calling for his ouster in the only realistic way to do so. |
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| DiS |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
just curious as to how long everyone here spends each day reading war threads and posting replies .. ?
almost every msg board i post on has war threads rite now regardless of the websites' subject area. i'm just finding it almost impossible to keep up now without wasting away my whole day which i don't find to be quite appealing and quite sad if i could add.. |
I spent forever reading these posts when the thread started. But now its a five min skim of info. I don't even bother reading some of the poeples posts. They've just keep writing the same thing and nothin intresting. Usually only new posts. Just to see what new ideas are coming in regarding this war. Always a good thing to see a fresh insight into things. |
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