Originally posted by Omega_M
Or you have actually flown in an airplane. :stongue:
what a load of bull. Dude when the planes can fly and even land autonomously, do you think you need a visual to actually make the plane fly into a particular destination ? Why are you arguing so much ? All you gotta do is stare at the altimeter and the GPS reading and you can technically home in on the target.
There's no option for Pentagon because a) its off-target to commercial or any flights, b) there's no autopilot option to Pentagon or anything like that, c) these pilots didnt even know where Pentagon was, I mean if you look at that ZOOMED map you'd be able to see it, no , but to get there is another story. You'd need quite a long time in Google Maps and a photographic memory and some other help to guide yourself to the Pentagon in a smooth way like the terrorists allegedly did.
Shakka
Seriously...stop it. You're killing me.
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
I wish I can provide you with a 100% reliable image link for 10,000 feet above Pentagon image, but its hard because Google Maps dont have a very accurate altitude zoom option (you cant really tell). But one thing for sure, YOUR links are at much lower altitude that airplanes like 747 fly at. They typically fly at 10,000-30,000 ft altitude, because thats the most FUEL EFFICIENT altitude for CROSS-CONTINENTAL and INTERNATIONAL flights, doofis.
"Aircraft [Boeign 747 -like] in cruise at roughly 35,000 feet above Bristol, England."
LOOKS FAMILIAR???
Okay, first of all, we have already established that it was a 757, not a 747--HUGE difference. And now the terrorists were concerned about fuel efficiency? This conspiracy keeps getting better and better.
From the official NSA document I provided on page 8 of this thread. Please open the document and go to page 2.
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"At approximately 9:07 AM, the airplane leveled off at 25,000 feet and made a slight course change to the east-northeast. One minute later, the autopiot was disconnected for approximately 3 minutes. During these three minutes, heading reamined steady, yet variations in altitude as low as 22,000 feet are noted. When the autopilot was re-engaged, the airplane leveled again at 25,250 feet, and then began to descend again at 9:22AM. At approximately 9:29AM, when the aircraft was approximtely 35 miles west of the Pentagon, the autopilot was disconnected as the aircraft leveled near 7000 feet. Slight course changes were initiated, duing which variations in altitude between 6800 and 8000 feet were noted.
At 9:34 AM, the aircraft was positioned about 3.5 miles west-southwest of the Pentagon, and started a right 330-degree descending turn to the right. At the end of the turn, the aircraft was at about 2000 feet altitude and 4 miles southwest of the Pentagon. Over the next 30 seconds, power was increased to near maximum and the nose was pitched down in response to control column movements. The airplane accelerated to approximately 460 knots (530mps) at impact with the Pentagon. The time of impact was 9:37:45 AM.
Now, you say it's hard to get a reliable image at 10,000 feet because Google Maps limits you? Let me help you out. Get a little program called Google Earth--it's free. Install it and run it. Take a close look at the bottom right-hand corner of the application and tell me what you see...IT'S THE ING ALTITUDE. HALLELUJAH!!! Now just zoom in to 8000-10000 feet above the Pentagon and tell me what you see--hint: It's the gigantic pentagonal shape in the middle of the screen. At 2000 feet it pretty much takes up the ENTIRE SCREET (i.e. It is a HUGE building).
Now--care to apologize for being such a dense prick? Or do you want to continue with your hole digging?
Magnetonium
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Originally posted by Shakka
Seriously...stop it. You're killing me.
Okay, first of all, we have already established that it was a 757, not a 747--HUGE difference. And now the terrorists were concerned about fuel efficiency? This conspiracy keeps getting better and better.
From the official NSA document I provided on page 8 of this thread. Please open the document and go to page 2.
Now, you say it's hard to get a reliable image at 10,000 feet because Google Maps limits you? Let me help you out. Get a little program called Google Earth--it's free. Install it and run it. Take a close look at the bottom right-hand corner of the application and tell me what you see...IT'S THE ING ALTITUDE. HALLELUJAH!!! Now just zoom in to 8000-10000 feet above the Pentagon and tell me what you see--hint: It's the gigantic pentagonal shape in the middle of the screen. At 2000 feet it pretty much takes up the ENTIRE SCREET (i.e. It is a HUGE building).
Now--care to apologize for being such a dense prick? Or do you want to continue with your hole digging?
Your bull story about this approach/hit target thing contradicts to the released black box data obtained and released by the Pilots for Truth so beat it.
Shakka
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
Your bull story about this approach/hit target thing contradicts to the released black box data obtained and released by the Pilots for Truth so beat it.
Story? It's from the ing NSA! You're just completely making stuff up now.
Oh wait--maybe Google is involved in the conspiracy too!:crazy:
Magnetonium
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Originally posted by Shakka
Story? It's from the ing NSA! You're just completely making stuff up now.
Oh wait--maybe Google is involved in the conspiracy too!:crazy:
You're an idiot. Here's that article I am talking about, read it again, please (sorry, it contradicts NSA):
New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon
So please dont tell me about this approach and altitude thing, its been proven to be false.
757 vs. 747 a HUGE difference? LOL ... 757 can fly at a bit higher altitude and few other modifications, but otherwise its mostly the same style Boeing with mostly the same characteristics. Thats not the point anyway.
Omega_M
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
There's no option for Pentagon because
a) its off-target to commercial or any flights
suck it.
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b) there's no autopilot option to Pentagon or anything like that
The autopilot option is on the plane not in the pentagon. Whether it flies over Pentagon or over your head is irrelevant. Besides, proof plz.
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c) these pilots didnt even know where Pentagon was, I mean if you look at that ZOOMED map you'd be able to see it, no , but to get there is another story. You'd need quite a long time in Google Maps and a photographic memory and some other help to guide yourself to the Pentagon in a smooth way like the terrorists allegedly did.
You don't need to memorize the road maps when you are flying an airplane. Pilots are not supposed to be cab drivers :stongue: What the are you blabbering ? How the do you think all the pilots in the world fly their planes ?
Magnetonium
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Originally posted by Omega_M
suck it.
The autopilot option is on the plane not in the pentagon. Whether it flies over Pentagon or over your head is irrelevant. And besides, proof plz.
You don't need to memorize the road maps when you are flying an airplane. Pilots are not supposed to be cab drivers :stongue: What the are you blabbering ?
You are twisting my words. I didnt say that there's no GPS address for it. Pentagon IS THERE, its not hidden in a different dimension, so therefore there is GPS for it. But you dont just punch in the numbers and the plane will fly you right to it, though I am not a pilot and neither are you. But the pilots themselves have studied this and figured out that it was a bull story. No wonder that the official story about the Boeing crashing into the Pentagon was shattered by the Pilots for 9/11 Truth movement. So there's the proof, by the pilots themselves.
Sunsnail
You can see the pentagon from 80,000 feet in the picture posted. I'm sure you'd be able to find it at 8,000 feet :)
Magnetonium
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Originally posted by Sunsnail
You can see the pentagon from 80,000 feet in the picture posted. I'm sure you'd be able to find it at 8,000 feet :)
Thats not 80,000 feet, Shakka was just mocking the pic ... it around 7000-15000 feet. Though Google Maps dont have accurate markers for altitude. Anyhow, I am done here, there's no point stirring this up any further. Opinions are like s, everybody has one. They have theirs (supporting the governnment story), we have ours. Both sides have great points, but I think our side is the truth. But there's not enough conclusive evidence to proof either is right. Who knows ... I am not American and not from USA and dont hate American people, so I dont really care as much about US politics as to cmopared to lets say EDM discussions, universe, history/geography or Eastern European politics which are closer to my areas of interest. I have more important and more interesting issues to get around to ;-) like organizing my music collection.
Anyhow, I am off to a weekend of Lake Erie cottage fun, happy holidays everyone!
culorut
Forward to 1:44 minutes remaining and pause. That is not the nose of AA77 but looks very much like a missile.
Definitely not AA77.
Shakka
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
Thats not 80,000 feet, Shakka was just mocking the pic ... it around 7000-15000 feet. Though Google Maps dont have accurate markers for altitude. Anyhow, I am done here, there's no point stirring this up any further. Opinions are like s, everybody has one. They have theirs (supporting the governnment story), we have ours. Both sides have great points, but I think our side is the truth. But there's not enough conclusive evidence to proof either is right. Who knows ... I am not American and not from USA and dont hate American people, so I dont really care as much about US politics as to cmopared to lets say EDM discussions, universe, history/geography or Eastern European politics which are closer to my areas of interest. I have more important and more interesting issues to get around to ;-) like organizing my music collection.
Anyhow, I am off to a weekend of Lake Erie cottage fun, happy holidays everyone!
The only difference is your opinion which is your mouth spouting nothing but bull all over the place. You try to source information from a conspiratorial website that conflicts with the official data collected from the NSA. Even if you disagree with the NSA information, there is no other source that is going to give you more accurate information as anyting else would simply be hearsay. And I am NOT mocking your pic. I personally went through Google Earth and looked at the Pentagon and found that the picture you provided looked like a picture of Washington D.C. from 80,000 feet. You simply cannot admit you are wrong, can you? I'm seriously trying to help you out here, but you just want to embarass yourself. Here you go--using Google Earth, which DOES provide altitude information. I highly suggest you download the program and check it out. And feel free to compare it to any other global mapping application that provides accurate information, I'm certain that you'll find out that you are full of complete nonsense. Seriously--I can't imagine how many people must be laughing at you right now when they read through this thread and realize that you're grasping at straws. Not even straws--you're grasping at thin air because you have NOTHING to support your wacko theory that you think is some iron clad knock against the government. You cannot even answer the most basic of questions which would be required to substantiate anything about your theory: WHERE IS THE PLANE AND THE PASSENGERS WHO BOUGHT TICKETS FOR THE PLANE AND WERE NEVER SEEN AGAIN???
And as for a 747 vs a 757...there is a HUGE size differential. A 747 is the biggest plane that Boeing makes next to the 787, which isn't slated for official release until 7/8/2007.
The Boeing 747, commonly nicknamed the "Jumbo Jet", is a long-haul, widebody commercial airliner manufactured by Boeing. Known for its impressive size, it is among the world's most recognizable aircraft. First flown commercially in 1970, it held the passenger capacity record for 35 years and was the first commercial wide-body aircraft.
The four-engine 747, produced by Boeing's Commercial Airplane unit, uses a double decker configuration for part of its length. The hump created by the upper deck has made the 747 a highly recognizable icon of air travel. A typical three-class layout accommodates 416 passengers, while a two-class layout accommodates a maximum of 524 passengers. The 747-400, the latest version in service, flies at high-subsonic speeds of Mach 0.85 (567 mph or 913 km/h), and features an intercontinental range of 7,260 nautical miles (8,355 mi, 13,446 km).[4]
The 747 was expected to become obsolete after sales of 400 units, but it outlived many of its critics' expectations and production passed the 1,000 mark in 1993. As of the end of 2006, 1380 planes had been built with 120 more in various configurations on order. The latest incarnation of the aircraft will be the 747-8.[5]
The 757-200 is the definitive version and forms the majority of 757s sold. It shares its fuselage cross section with the smaller 727 and 737. Boeing positioned the plane above the 737 and as an eventual replacement for the 727. At first it was meant to be a little shorter in length. In the end it was positioned not only above the 737, but also the 727.
This variant can carry 228 passengers in a single class. However, with a seat pitch of 29" it can carry a maximum of 234 passengers. This configuration is also the FAA limit for the aircraft due to emergency exit rules.
The -200 was available in two different door configurations. One version used three standard doors per side with an additional, smaller door aft of the wing on each side for emergency evacuations. All eight door locations are equipped with inflatable evacuation slides. The alternate version is equipped with three standard doors per side (two towards the front and one at the aft of the cabin) with two "plug-type" overwing exits per side replacing the smaller door aft of the wing.
The 757-200 introduced an interior that became standard on all narrowbody Boeing aircraft (including the Boeing 737 Classics) until the release of the Next Generation 737, which introduced an updated interior borrowing elements from the Boeing 777-style inter
So you see, a 747 is almost twice the size of a 757 based on capacity. There really is no comparison. And frankly none of that really matters to this discussion except that a 757 is certainly more nimble than a 747 but you are simply clueless as to the difference.
Your ignorance is simply astounding. I can only assume that you see 757 vs. 747 and think that 757 > 747 so it therefore must be comparable or greater than the 747 in size.
And with respect to aerial views and altitudes, I'm sure you'll find Google Earth to be quite informative. Let me help you out. I've tried to make this as clear as possible. Feel free to do some homework on your own, or just trust what some conspiracy group says and continue to work at McDonalds for the foreseeable future.
Here is the Pentagon from 80,000 feet (Notice how similar this is to the picture you provided.)
Now here it is from 35,000 feet...roughly maximum cruising altitude for a jumbo jet.
Here we are at 10,000 feet--the altitude the NSA confirms that Flight 77 was at when it was 35 miles outside of its target. Anything becoming clear to you yet?
And here we are at 2,000 feet (give or take a few feet). Well holy , would you look at that!
Now please don't tell me you want to continue on with this tomfoolery.
Seriously--for s and giggles. Let's have a show of hands. A simple yes or no will do. Who here thinks Magnetoneum is smoking something? Continue with your b/s and I will mock you.
Shakka
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Originally posted by culorut
Forward to 1:44 minutes remaining and pause. That is not the nose of AA77 but looks very much like a missile.
Definitely not AA77.
Actually, call me crazy, but I'd say that looks suspiciously like the tail of an airplane. You guys are making this waaaay too easy.
