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City Councillor calling for closure of after hours clubs! (pg. 7)
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| starsearcher |
just like RobyG said I think that guy is just opening his mouth too much...perhaps even looking for some personal publicity, air time, self-promotion...it's not the first time he was talking crap right?
It might be nothing, it might be something...I think I agree with Jay and Swamper we should just sit around and see what's up. |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
yeah but meetmeinto is a joke...most of the people on that site are of the average age of 17-18, and many of them think of the after hours clubs exactly the same way the councillor does - scum. Most of these people are "gina bambina vaselina playboy bunni" rofl. Sure they like the music (most of them are still mostly hip-hop and top40 crowd) but i doubt they'll even care.
Either way comparing EDM vs Hip Hop clubs can also be a dangerous line to walk on - you might get blamed for discrimination for suggesting that hip hop = violence...you gotta be really careful when talking to the city ppl i think...you might get yourself into more trouble than what you originally started with |
This is an ignorant comment. Yes, it used to be like this, but now the most popular threads in the music discussion forum are EDM threads.
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
[What you're saying is not good enough.] |
Hey, here's an idea: instead of bashing all of our ideas, how about you come up with an idea of your own? You're not being very helpful at all. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| starsearcher |
I'm not bashing the ideas, I'm just saying that they're not enough and won't do anything really - just like Jay said...look how many people smoke - and what? Did any petitions help? No - the laws were passed anyway.
If you really want to make a strong statement to these "politicians" what you need to do is show them (and make a strong statement) that there is nothing wrong or illegal going on with or in after-hours clubs. How can we do that I don't know - I am thinking about it now...otherwise you will be playing exactly into their psyche and will cause more problems than you'll solve!
Sure I'll sign the petition, I just know it won't change anything on its own. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Now is not the time to take action. Lets wait and see if this blows over. It might if more important things come up. If we react now we will actually force it to be an issue.
Lesson learned though is that maybe its time the nightclubs form some sort of association to protect their businesses from this kind of crap. If people in Toronto started working together instead of against each other maybe we'd get further ahead. There are all kinds of nightclub associations in major cities around the world which could be part of the reason the government doesnt shut them all down. |
Starsearcher your making it sound like gloom and doom. Should we chuck this out completely just because you think our voices don't matter. Maybe we should just save ourselves the trouble and just kill ourselves now... b/c the govt. controls our dollars and b/c no matter what you do, one day it will all end in us being buried in some whole in the ground. Let's save ourselves the trouble of experiencing anything and just end our lives today in Jonestown way.
Cut it out Starsearcher....your beginning to sound like Lastman. And frankly, even he was more willing to listen when the words revenue and tourism was mentioned. I have the letters to prove it.
I happen to agree with Jayx1 on this... now is not the time... but the dance movement and community is big and we can do something about this without having to associate ourselves as being a group with close ties to the dance community. Like I said... we need to form a group of mature likeminded professionals that work in Toronto and want to see our city grow with more tourism. We don't have to divulge that most of those signing any letter's or petitions are from music forums.
Personally I'd like to be referred to as a person first...a person who contributes to Toronto's economy instead of being referred to as a person who just posts in a chat forum :p |
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| starsearcher |
I'm not saying you shouldn't do anything, I'm not saying that we should just leave it alone...I'm saying that your idea isn't nearly enough to convince city politicians that afterhours clubs ae good...and I'm saying that you can't use tourism as a driving factor for your argument because like I said tourists don't come to Toronto for after-hours clubs.
We should do something but let's not get ahead of ourselves yet. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Callie5
I'd love to stand up and protest for my community, club and the afterhours scene, but I'm sad to say that I won't for the simple reason that I WANT TO BE SAFE and feel safe. Obviously "some" clubs need to consider their options to keep this scene safe and under control! |
This has nothing to do with safety. Its about vote getting. If you want to feel safe dont go to some hip hop club with a bunch of thugs. The chances of violence breaking out at places like Guv, System, and Boa are very low.
Even the incident that took place at guv years ago was in the hiphop room perpetrated by some thug from regent park.
If these politicians want to clean up crime they should hire some cops. They might also want to try finding the thousands of people in this country who have been ordered deported yet still roam freely. |
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| Jayx1 |
| If these shananigans continue i think we should try and organize club owners into an association to fight it. That would probably be the best solution. Collectively they can share the legal costs as well as receive airtime in the media. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
I'm not saying you shouldn't do anything, I'm not saying that we should just leave it alone...I'm saying that your idea isn't nearly enough to convince city politicians that afterhours clubs ae good...and I'm saying that you can't use tourism as a driving factor for your argument because like I said tourists don't come to Toronto for after-hours clubs.
We should do something but let's not get ahead of ourselves yet. |
Dood i only put the tourism thing on the table. We all have to contribute to this. You can't expect one person to come up with it all. How do you think govt. bodies do it... they collaborate and wait for feedbacks.
BTW... I personally don't like petitions either...but they can be helpful sometimes. And if the right questions are asked and answered on a petition...it can make it's point very clear.
Newayz no one is getting ahead of themselves on this one...if you weren't reading it earlier, I was saying....
"Let's wait for more feedback to see what's going to happen to our clubs first...and then make the steps to changing it." |
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| Jayx1 |
petitions are a good idea but not on their own. There would have to be a multi-pronged approach involving people from the industry that these councillors would have to take seriously.
If we want to make a difference we have to work with the actual business owners themselves. |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
If these shananigans continue i think we should try and organize club owners into an association to fight it. That would probably be the best solution. Collectively they can share the legal costs as well as receive airtime in the media. |
That makes a lot more sense...I know the Guv owners posess a lot of power in the city and own quite a few business other than the Guv (for example).
We can get the DJs themselves up...the ones that are like an insitution in TO - someone like Mark Oliver.
PVD in his global DVD has a few messages against drugs which is a good thing. |
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