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Michael Moore, letter to the President (pg. 9)
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| FallingMoon |
| quote: | Originally posted by mdamon7278
there is nothing we can do, all we doing is arguing, its time for a house party, we are due for one, Gerry quit bitching and hit the decks, eric lay off the krismy kremes and hit it, hte peach shake that ass, fallingmoon, we need 10 pizzas to go ASAP, party time :gsmile: |
lol cheese & pepperoni coming right up! |
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| The Peach |
| quote: | Originally posted by gerrycueto
I agree. Bush is shirking his responsibilities, whether they are the wars he initiated or whether it's this. He's not cut out to be a leader. Everything stresses him, therefore he's always on vacation. My argument was just that everyone blames him for not doing anything, when the critics haven't really left their chair to do much. Maybe Kerry would have done better, maybe not. |
good points. |
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| gerrycueto |
| quote: | Originally posted by FallingMoon
LOL @ lovely peach!
I blame global warming...it's a serious issue. |
it's a lie :) The temperature of the earth varies from time to time.. It's just that currently it's heating up, but nature and time has their way of cleaning herself up (this hurricane was an example). Can't with nature y0...
Don't believe all that environmental propaganda on TV. |
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| rhaney |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Peach
god, if i had a nickel for everytime i've heard that i'd be able to buy myself some cute new shoes. and to answer your question, yeah, probably...but i wont speculate as far as you have.
bush spent the past month on vacation at "the ranch," amidst two wars that he initiated. guess he needed some r & r. and it's not just michael moore and other confessed -stirrers who are bitching and wondering wtf is going on in the gulf...it's the actual people in the affected areas (citizens and politicians alike). and screw the sniper shooting...they have combat helos. lol. it is good to see that some national guardsmen/women are arriving, along with the 10.5 billion from congress. sad to hear that a load of the army corps of engineers are in iraq, dealing with the insurmountable problems we have there.
regardless, bush has a texas size load on his plate. i wonder how he's going to handle this (as he looks down from his air force one window).:rolleyes: |
Damn.. I hope I never get a job at wherever you work at.. I cant believe they dont let you have a vacation.
Actually you are right.. Kerry would have ended the war. |
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| gerrycueto |
| quote: | Originally posted by FallingMoon
Democrats would probably do a better job...
that...any other republican would even do a better job. :disbelief |
republicrats...They're one in the same.. independents would do the job better :happy2: |
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| PCP2017 |
We live well below sea level here and get a major storm only every 50 years or so, we took huge precautions a long time ago so this will not happen anymore over here!
The USA failed to do this even though the chances and frequency of a big ass hurricane hitting there are way higher.
Everybody over here thinks it is just stupid what happened and is happening over there in NO; money , equipment and knowledge enough and still you let it happen.
And what is happening now is even more ridiculous; it takes half a week to get proper aid there!??
This is not Mozambique we are talking about, it's right there, in the US of A!
Your politicians are making a fool of themselfs.
What kind of country is this?
Money enough to build flightships, skyscrapers and space shuttles, but they can't even build a proper dike or shelter. fools.
Oh and by the way next time don't build all your fckng houses out of wood and plastics if you live in hurricane alley...are you crazy!?!
Don't get me wrong I love the States, but this is such a major disillusion....
What a shame.:confused: |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by gerrycueto
no it's not really bush's job. it's their local government's job. President already has a lot of on his hands, and it's nice of him to go out on a limb to help. That's like saying it's the state trooper's job to stop a local bank robbery. No, not really, it's the local police's job.
I don't know why we're arguing this over the internets.... :haha: |
THen 9-11 was New Yorks City's job.. :rolleyes: |
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| FallingMoon |
| quote: | Originally posted by gerrycueto
it's a lie :) The temperature of the earth varies from time to time.. It's just that currently it's heating up, but nature and time has their way of cleaning herself up (this hurricane was an example). Can't with nature y0...
Don't believe all that environmental propaganda on TV. |
I don't follow what the media says. I follow scientific research. Global warming is an issue...the climate does vary but how can you explain all these storms and what they're doing...this is not common. Global warming has always been an issue, it's just getting worse. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by FallingMoon
I don't follow what the media says. I follow scientific research. Global warming is an issue...the climate does vary but how can you explain all these storms and what they're doing...this is not common. Global warming has always been an issue, it's just getting worse. |
Hehe.. its like almost 90% of scientists believe in some form of Global Warming, people dont like to believe the Scientific research, nor have they care to look further into the Global Warming. It is true that temperature rises now and then.. it takes some hundreds of years for this to take effect. Whats affecting is the PASE in which is happening. There are changes that are are supposed to happen way passed our lifetime TODAY.. and this changes are affecting everything that can not adapt in such short spam. People dont understand Global Warming thats the thing. |
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| gerrycueto |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
THen 9-11 was New Yorks City's job.. :rolleyes: |
nope... that's when national security is at stake... in that case the federal government NEEDS to focus their attention on that, but this case with the hurricane. Yes, Bush would be a ing cockbag to ignore it, but it's mostly up to the government of Louisiana to keep its area safe from storms. |
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| FallingMoon |
The strongest hurricanes in the present climate may be upstaged by even more intense hurricanes over the next century as the earth's climate is warmed by increasing levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Although we cannot say at present whether more or fewer hurricane will occur in the future with global warming, the hurricanes that do occur near the end of the 21st century are expected to be stronger and have significantly more intense rainfall than under present day climate conditions. This expectation (Figure 1) is based on an anticipated enhancement of energy available to the storms due to higher tropical sea surface temperatures.
The results described above are based on a recent simulation study carried out by Thomas R. Knutson and Robert E. Tuleya at NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory (GFDL). This study examined the response of simulated hurricanes to the climate warming projected for a substantial build-up of atmospheric CO2. Such an increase in the upper-limit intensity of hurricanes with global warming was suggested on theoretical grounds by M.I.T. Professor Kerry Emanuel in 1987. The latest GFDL investigation is the most comprehensive simulation study of the issue to date, making use of future climate projections from nine different global climate models and four different versions of a high-resolution hurricane prediction model. The hurricane model used for the study is an enhanced resolution version of the model used to predict hurricanes operationally at NOAA's National Centers for Environmental Prediction.
In an earlier modeling study, the NOAA group simulated samples of hurricanes from both the present-day climate and from a greenhouse-gas warmed climate. This was done by "telescoping-in" on coarsely resolved tropical storms in GFDL's global climate model using the high-resolution GFDL hurricane prediction model (Figure 2). A research report by T. Knutson, R. Tuleya and Y. Kurihara describing this work was published in the Feb 13, 1998 issue of Science, with a more detailed paper in Climate Dynamics (1999, vol. 15).
In a follow-up study, which appeared in the June 2001 issue of Journal of Climate, NOAA scientists Knutson and Tuleya teamed up with Isaac Ginis and Weixing Shen of the University of Rhode Island to explore the climate warming/ hurricane intensity issue using hurricane model coupled to a full ocean model. The coupled model was used to simulate the "cool SST wake" generated by the hurricanes as they moved over the simulated ocean (Figure 3). The model simulations including this additional feedback still showed a similar percentage increase of hurricane intensity under warm climate conditions as the original model without ocean coupling.
The most recent and comprehensive study by Knutson and Tuleya, published in Journal of Climate in September 2004 (download paper), confirms the general conclusions of previous studies but makes them more robust by using future climate projections from nine different global climate models and four different versions of a new higher-resolution version of the GFDL hurricane model. According to this latest study, an 80 year build-up of atmospheric CO2 at 1%/yr (compounded) leads to roughly a one-half category increase in potential hurricane intensity on the Saffir-Simpson scale and an 18% increase in precipitation near the hurricane core. A 1%/yr CO2 increase is an idealized scenario of future climate forcing. As noted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), there is considerable uncertainty in projections of future radiative forcing of earth's climate.
An implication of these studies is that if the frequency of tropical cyclones remains the same over the coming century, a greenhouse-gas induced warming may lead to a gradually increasing risk in the occurrence of highly destructive category-5 storms.
We have certainly seen global temperature increases and changes in precipitation patterns over the 20th century, resulting from human activities. This has resulted in some increases in extremes of temperature and precipitation. These trends will continue in the future, and there is concern that global warming will cause climate variability and extreme events (e.g., floods, droughts, heat waves) to increase |
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| LiquidX |
Loook how government officials contradict themselfs with reality
| quote: | The big disconnect on New Orleans
The official version; then there's the in-the-trenches version
NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Diverging views of a crumbling New Orleans emerged Thursday. The sanitized view came from federal officials at news conferences and television appearances. But the official line was contradicted by grittier, more desperate views from the shelters and the streets.
These conflicting views came within hours, sometimes minutes of each of each other, as reflected in CNN's transcripts. The speakers include Michael Brown, chief of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin,evacuee Raymond Cooper, CNN correspondents and others. Here's what they had to say:
Conditions in the Convention Center
* FEMA chief Brown: We learned about that (Thursday), so I have directed that we have all available resources to get that convention center to make sure that they have the food and water and medical care that they need. (See video of CNN asking why FEMA is clueless about conditions -- 2:11)
* Mayor Nagin: The convention center is unsanitary and unsafe, and we are running out of supplies for the 15,000 to 20,000 people. (Hear Nagin's angry demand for soldiers. 1:04)
* CNN Producer Kim Segal: It was chaos. There was nobody there, nobody in charge. And there was nobody giving even water. The children, you should see them, they're all just in tears. There are sick people. We saw... people who are dying in front of you.
* Evacuee Raymond Cooper: Sir, you've got about 3,000 people here in this -- in the Convention Center right now. They're hungry. Don't have any food. We were told two-and-a-half days ago to make our way to the Superdome or the Convention Center by our mayor. And which when we got here, was no one to tell us what to do, no one to direct us, no authority figure.
Uncollected corpses
* Brown: That's not been reported to me, so I'm not going to comment. Until I actually get a report from my teams that say, "We have bodies located here or there," I'm just not going to speculate.
* Segal: We saw one body. A person is in a wheelchair and someone had pushed (her) off to the side and draped just like a blanket over this person in the wheelchair. And then there is another body next to that. There were others they were willing to show us. ( See CNN report, 'People are dying in front of us' -- 4:36 )
* Evacuee Cooper: They had a couple of policemen out here, sir, about six or seven policemen told me directly, when I went to tell them, hey, man, you got bodies in there. You got two old ladies that just passed, just had died, people dragging the bodies into little corners. One guy -- that's how I found out. The guy had actually, hey, man, anybody sleeping over here? I'm like, no. He dragged two bodies in there. Now you just -- I just found out there was a lady and an old man, the lady went to nudge him. He's dead.
Hospital evacuations
* Brown: I've just learned today that we ... are in the process of completing the evacuations of the hospitals, that those are going very well.
* CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta: It's gruesome. I guess that is the best word for it. If you think about a hospital, for example, the morgue is in the basement, and the basement is completely flooded. So you can just imagine the scene down there. But when patients die in the hospital, there is no place to put them, so they're in the stairwells. It is one of the most unbelievable situations I've seen as a doctor, certainly as a journalist as well. There is no electricity. There is no water. There's over 200 patients still here remaining. ...We found our way in through a chopper and had to land at a landing strip and then take a boat. And it is exactly ... where the boat was traveling where the snipers opened fire yesterday, halting all the evacuations. ( Watch the video report of corpses stacked in stairwells -- 4:45 )
* Dr. Matthew Bellew, Charity Hospital: We still have 200 patients in this hospital, many of them needing care that they just can't get. The conditions are such that it's very dangerous for the patients. Just about all the patients in our services had fevers. Our toilets are overflowing. They are filled with stool and urine. And the smell, if you can imagine, is so bad, you know, many of us had gagging and some people even threw up. It's pretty rough.(Mayor's video: Armed addicts fighting for a fix -- 1:03)
Violence and civil unrest
* Brown: I've had no reports of unrest, if the connotation of the word unrest means that people are beginning to riot, or you know, they're banging on walls and screaming and hollering or burning tires or whatever. I've had no reports of that.
* CNN's Chris Lawrence: From here and from talking to the police officers, they're losing control of the city. We're now standing on the roof of one of the police stations. The police officers came by and told us in very, very strong terms it wasn't safe to be out on the street. (Watch the video report on explosions and gunfire -- 2:12)
The federal response:
* Brown: Considering the dire circumstances that we have in New Orleans, virtually a city that has been destroyed, things are going relatively well.
* Homeland Security Director Chertoff: Now, of course, a critical element of what we're doing is the process of evacuation and securing New Orleans and other areas that are afflicted. And here the Department of Defense has performed magnificently, as has the National Guard, in bringing enormous resources and capabilities to bear in the areas that are suffering.
* Crowd chanting outside the Convention Center: We want help.
* Nagin: They don't have a clue what's going on down there.
* Phyllis Petrich, a tourist stranded at the Ritz-Carlton: They are invisible. We have no idea where they are. We hear bits and pieces that the National Guard is around, but where? We have not seen them. We have not seen FEMA officials. We have seen no one.
Security
* Brown: I actually think the security is pretty darn good. There's some really bad people out there that are causing some problems, and it seems to me that every time a bad person wants to scream of cause a problem, there's somebody there with a camera to stick it in their face. ( See Jack Cafferty's rant on the government's 'bungled' response -- 0:57)
* Chertoff: In addition to local law enforcement, we have 2,800 National Guard in New Orleans as we speak today. One thousand four hundred additional National Guard military police trained soldiers will be arriving every day: 1,400 today, 1,400 tomorrow and 1,400 the next day.
* Nagin: I continue to hear that troops are on the way, but we are still protecting the city with only 1,500 New Orleans police officers, an additional 300 law enforcement personnel, 250 National Guard troops, and other military personnel who are primarily focused on evacuation.
* Lawrence: The police are very, very tense right now. They're literally riding around, full assault weapons, full tactical gear, in pickup trucks. Five, six, seven, eight officers. It is a very tense situation here.
Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/ka...onse/index.html |
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