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so what does everyone think about arnolds decision (pg. 4)
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| Mebot |
| quote: | Originally posted by IDarkISwordI
Interesting point you do happen to bring up. Seeking revenge doesnt ever usually end up hurting the person on death row. Instead, they are seeking revenge on the family of the person on death row and it truely pisses me off to see people so enraged so thoughtless of everyone around them that they never give thought to the idea that they are doing to another family what murderer did to them. In my eyes, they arent really any better than the murderer if they truely want the death penalty because in the end, the people who suffer are the families... |
Exactly. And this guy was on death row for how many years? 24? I can understand maybe the first couple years after the murders, the families wanting EYE for an EYE revenge, but Time heals all wounds.
As the years progressed I wonder if their animosity towards Tookie diminished in any way. And like you said, the death of Tookie opens up a whole new fresh can of worms for HIS family and relatives.
I dunno, i mean that's why i'm usually on the fence regarding topics like these. I hate to say this, but the only way i'd be truly pushed either for or against the death penalty is if something atrocious happened to any of my family members. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| So who's everyone voting for in the next big erection? |
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| Silky Johnson |
:wtf:
BLAH! |
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| dj_bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
So who's everyone voting for in the next big erection? |
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| Masonious |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mebot
Exactly. And this guy was on death row for how many years? 24? I can understand maybe the first couple years after the murders, the families wanting EYE for an EYE revenge, but Time heals all wounds.
As the years progressed I wonder if their animosity towards Tookie diminished in any way. And like you said, the death of Tookie opens up a whole new fresh can of worms for HIS family and relatives.
I dunno, i mean that's why i'm usually on the fence regarding topics like these. I hate to say this, but the only way i'd be truly pushed either for or against the death penalty is if something atrocious happened to any of my family members. |
Do you think that society should look at these things on a personal level or a societal level? When you try people for crimes can / should time be a factor? I feel that society has to judge people on a societal level for crimes committed regardless of the time of the hearing. For centuries, man has held the idea that lenience creates more crime than it staunches and I知 somewhat inclined to agree. On a personal level I regret that Tookie is no longer shuffling about this coil as well as the drug dealing Australian, Nguyen, that was hung some weeks back; yet society has to draw the line at some point between burdening the taxpayers by sustaining the life of a wicked, or once wicked, person and removing them from society wholly. At what point is that line drawn? I知 way too drunk to answer any of these questions so I値l leave it at that, but after much consideration (sober) I decided that Tookie deserved the death penalty for murdering several people and never admitting / apologizing though the evidence pointed quite clearly toward him. |
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| ierxium |
| I completely disapprove Arnold's decision. He was a bit better as an actor. |
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| eRRaTiK |
in the immortal words of Dr Dre and Tupac...
Ca-li-for-nia knows how to party!
Laws and rules are in place for a reason. When people commit crimes with full intent of violating the law then they need to deal with the consequences.
Just sad that in some (or many) cases the person needs to commit the crime first, and only when faced with execution do they decide that it's time for them to change their ways.
Of course there are many variables in these scenarios (values, environment, etc.) but any authoritative figure (be it role, state or other) needs to make a call - once they start applying exceptions their whole framework is underminded (and can be challenged).
As for people disagreeing with "Arnie", the decision was not his to make.
EDIT: some good points there Masonious you drunkz0r. |
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| IDarkISwordI |
| quote: | Originally posted by Masonious
Do you think that society should look at these things on a personal level or a societal level? When you try people for crimes can / should time be a factor? I feel that society has to judge people on a societal level for crimes committed regardless of the time of the hearing. For centuries, man has held the idea that lenience creates more crime than it staunches and I知 somewhat inclined to agree. On a personal level I regret that Tookie is no longer shuffling about this coil as well as the drug dealing Australian, Nguyen, that was hung some weeks back; yet society has to draw the line at some point between burdening the taxpayers by sustaining the life of a wicked, or once wicked, person and removing them from society wholly. At what point is that line drawn? I知 way too drunk to answer any of these questions so I値l leave it at that, but after much consideration (sober) I decided that Tookie deserved the death penalty for murdering several people and never admitting / apologizing though the evidence pointed quite clearly toward him. |
If you would like to get into it being a burdeon on tax dollars, dont you think we should first look to things like druggies and prostitues filling our jails? Sorry, but people in jail for life and especially people on death row are far far fewer in number than those in prisons for petty crimes. People like Charlie Manson that have no remorse and are instead proud of what they have done, an exception can be made, but when the person has obviously turned around thier life and thier views, shouldnt we be able to recognize that in some way? I'm not saying the guy should go free and in fact, the guy said in an interview I read that he didnt think he should go free, but atleast drop his sentence to life. But no, instead, people like Charlie Manson are in a life sentence with parole. Whatever... |
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| eRRaTiK |
| quote: | Originally posted by IDarkISwordI
But no, instead, people like Charlie Manson are in a life sentence with parole. |
yeh i don't agree with that either. |
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| naesean3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Masonious
God痴 judgment on Tookie is beyond our knowledge so we have to analyze this on a societal level. I feel awful that Tookie is now dead but on a social level, I agree that is exactly what needed to happen. Our times are not perfect therefore; our methods for corrective behavior cannot be as well. Rest in peace Tookie; and I feel bad for Arnold that he had to make a decision of such gravity as this. |
JUDGEMENT DAY/ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER - SUPER TORCH RITUAL/OLYMPIC GAMES 2004
timelines are drawn
the next few weeks should be telling.
Arnold's foray into the press this week with Tookie was no accident- fate sometimes seems such but there is always much more than meets the eye. He had the ability to grant forgiveness - yet condemned the man........parallels can be drawn on many levels.
Why all of this is happening - remains to be seen. I can only make assumptions based on past experiences and try to relate them to current events and possible future consequences. There has been a pattern forming with this governor from California and we have yet to see to what length he will go to create motions that will change the course of America - whether it will be for the better or worse - your guess is as good as mine???
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| Aiwendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Nope!
It can't rain all the time!
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Very true. You are as wise as you are beautiful, Mistress. Thank you for answering my question. I apologize for making you waste your time on one such as I.
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| Dublin Guy |
| 2 wrongs dont make a right,or do they? |
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