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so what does everyone think about arnolds decision (pg. 9)
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| IDarkISwordI |
The woman in Florida is a completely seperate instance. It didnt deal with crime at all and in fact, its a shame they had to drag that out as long as they did. I'm sorry but when youre brain dead... youre ing dead. Why cause more pain to the husband than he already went through by accusing him of and going against his best understanding of what his wife would have wanted.
As for the mentally disabled thing. You completely misread my statement about it. You or maybe it was someone else noted that mental dissabilities in America have been construed to cover everyone which is sad and true and had absolutely nothing to do with Tookie. The point I was making dealt with Hitler and Stalin, NOT Tookie as you tried to make it seem. And no, I'm not a psycologist or a psychiatrist but I can read and I have read plenty about mental dissorders and I have also read plenty about major leaders through history. Generally those who seek world domination are extreme sociopaths and have a long history of depression. Sorry if you disagree, but obviously if you do, you dont read about these things.
Again, I never ing said set him free. I simply asked what was wrong with allowing him to serve a life sentence? Sorry to say, but if you think he should die, you really arent much better than he is. The only difference being, you arent holding the weapon. *grumbles* Republicans... |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by IDarkISwordI
The woman in Florida is a completely seperate instance. It didnt deal with crime at all... |
I don't remember a clause in the bible stating when its ok to kill someone. So it be hypocritical to say that abortion or medical assisted suicide for the terminally ill is against the word of god while the death penality for criminals is ok. Either you're for right to life or your not. |
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| eRRaTiK |
| quote: | Originally posted by CleverName
5 seconds of googling directed me to this website: http://www.cjpf.org/clemency/California.html
Summary: The governor of California can grant a pardon to any inmate (death row or otherwise) at any time. This pardon must be approved by the state Supreme Court.
Therefore, in the hours leading up to the execution, it was most definitely Arnold's decision to make. |
let's clarify my original statement. what i was alluding to was that the governor's decision was influenced by the law, his advisors, public pressure, the jury, etc.
Even though you've highlighted the power granted to the governor in the state of California he represents a state, and the decision was made by the state.
I agree with Aiwendil's post.
THANKS FOR IT. |
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| IDarkISwordI |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
I don't remember a clause in the bible stating when its ok to kill someone. So it be hypocritical to say that abortion or medical assisted suicide for the terminally ill is against the word of god while the death penality for criminals is ok. Either you're for right to life or your not. |
That statement is completely false. Firstly, she wasn't terminally ill, she was basicly just terminal. She had no funtion other than involuntary muscle reactions, such as her heart beating. You dont think it was ridiculous keeping her alive really amounted to anything, other than upsetting her husband and a great deal of the public? Youre in the minority when it comes to this issue anyway. I'm also pro-choice. I dont want to get into an arguement here but for the sake of position, a fetus can not survive without a host until the third trimester. In other words, it is not really alive, therfore can not be considered 'killing' as so many people liek to think. Lastly, I'm not cut and dry on the death penalty. In the case of Tookie, a complete turn around plus the fact that he was advocating anti-gang movements. This to me, means he should not be punished by being killed. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| I motion for this thread to be moved to the political forum. Or the humour section. |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
I motion for this thread to be moved to the political forum. Or the humour section. |
motion denied
-arnold swzartsan*gger |
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| Aiwendil |
I take what I said back. The real reason why Arnie made this decision is because he's a real hardass. This is pretty much how it all went down:
Did I do that? |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
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repost you loze |
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| Mebot |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevieboy32808
I'm guessing this is what you mean:
In 1981 Pope John Paul II was shot during an assisination attempt by Turkish-born Mehmet Ali Agca who was working for the Bulagrian secret service in Soviet Russia. Trained as an expert marksman, Agca did not understand why the Pope did not die. After the Pope's recovery he met with Agca in a private meeting in his jail cell. The contents of the meeting remain a secret except for one thing -the Pope forgave him. Ever since that meeting the Pope maintained regular visits with Agca's family and became friends with his attempted assasin. Agca later referred to the Pope as "my spiritual brother" Upon hearing of the Pope's death in April of 2005 he was grief-striken and mourned the tragic loss. Many have hailed the Pope's reconciliation with Agca as an example of the Christian principle of forgiveness.
From what I understand your concept of forgiveness is based on faith and not reason. We must always use common sense when judging events such as Tookie's death that if someone commits a crime he must be punished. If you look at this using a faith based approach then even the Bible uses this type of reason. I dare you go ahead and break a commandment and see what happens to you in the afterlife. |
That's exactly what I was thinking as well. |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
the state of california found him guilty, and gave him his decided upon punishment. the state FOUND him guilty, whether he was or not, and his penalty was death. arnold stood behind the state's decision.
personally, i didnt think he should have been executed. i mean, the son of sam wasnt put on the death row, and he killed way more people. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| uh, i think there are enough motivational speakers without a heinous homicide record to positively re-enforce values into juvenille delinquents already. just be thankful you aren't feeding him with your tax dollars any more. |
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