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Is techno a form of art? (pg. 3)
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| Estella |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Sid
If you want sophisticated music, listen to Kraftwerk. |
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| Spirit5 |
I'm a big one saying that the producers shouldn't totally abadon the structure but just make it better, sound different, more gradual, then just rehashing the same sounds with it or make it overly theatrical or melodramatic. I think the structure is what has made trance what it is (sure it sounded different in the beginning but it didn't become popular until it adopted it). I do believe there should be some different sounds, and even some differently structured tracks, but those who make epic and this fusion of epic and progressive that is being done by certain producers nowadays (some it is good, some of it isn't) should just make it better, not use the same trance riffs and stupid sounding breakdowns.
If trance remained the way it was prior to 98, it probably would still be very underground and selective music, and it wouldn't have really progressed, as music or anything should. If trance artists still keep the same old sounds rehashed, then it's just going to turn into commerical garbage as it has been and again, not progress. So I think it should be somewhere in the middle (not too underground, but not really "mainstream" or "commerical"), but just progress with the sound...as the artists I mention I feel have...even if they might still use "breakdowns" and such, at least I feel they've made it better..none of those over used super saw trance riffs...it's a stage in the right direction I feel...not perfect yet... |
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| Estella |
| Jimmy, I think you'd appreciate the sound from Detroit. PM Magnetonium, Sandleaper, or Psy T and let them fill your head. There was a thread I created called "The most beautiful techno," in which lots of stunning tracks were recommended. I'll find it for you..The Most Beautiful Techno |
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| Semirk |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Yeah. "Making a melody" is what some people call writing music. Not that you'd ever catch techno artists doing it.
(I don't actually believe that. But your crap general dismissal of trance deserved a ripost) |
Ok granted it was not the most intelligent of comments from me but in my opinion techno has so much more depth to it whilst it is being produced, every sound has to be tweaked intensely to make it correct on most occasions. With trance for example, make a bassline or any other loop and you can loop it over till it bores the out of you. On the melodies thing, they don't make something music, most of the time i'd prefer to listen to something without one, its more about the sounds than some note variations. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Estella
Jimmy, I think you'd appreciate the sound from Detroit. PM Magnetonium, Sandleaper, or Psy T and let them fill your head. There was a thread I created called "The most beautiful techno," in which lots of stunning tracks were recommended. I'll find it for you..The Most Beautiful Techno |
Yeah there probably is beautiful techno out there. I'm just techno ignorant. The vast majority of it i've heard is either really experimental Plastikman, Pan Sonic or Autechre type stuff, or really relentless stuff like Cris Liebing or Dave Clarke or Jeff Mills...i've heard some detroit techno, like at the DEMF around here, but the stuff they played there wasn't really "beautiful", well maybe some of the classic stuff like "R-Theme" from Derek May. But maybe there's more, i'll have to check it out...i've just always equated trance with melody + beats and techno with beats and rhythm. But i just have to expand my horizons.. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Semirk
Ok granted it was not the most intelligent of comments from me but in my opinion techno has so much more depth to it whilst it is being produced, every sound has to be tweaked intensely to make it correct on most occasions. With trance for example, make a bassline or any other loop and you can loop it over till it bores the out of you. On the melodies thing, they don't make something music, most of the time i'd prefer to listen to something without one, its more about the sounds than some note variations. |
Yeah but some people like melodies and melody has been the foundation for a lot of western music over the ages. Sure there's tribal and eastern music with less an emphasis on melody and more on beat/sound, but if you were raised on melodic and harmonic music, everything from classical, to rock, to pop and disco and r&b etc, you will naturally prefer the more melodic variety. Some people grow on the beat and sound stuff, other's look for something with beat/sound and melody, and GOOD trance I feel has all of these ingredients. I'de much rather enjoy a nice melody to listen to, then to listen to a relentless beat or sound. I would dance to that stuff, but on a listening basis, no...same goes for really experimental stuff, it's just not listenable to me. Melodic trance, prog, house and even some techno is...I'm not approaching this from a clubber and dancing perspective but from a listener..listening and musical and compositional standpoint.. |
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| Estella |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
Yeah but some people like melodies and melody has been the foundation for a lot of western music over the ages. Sure there's tribal and eastern music with less an emphasis on melody and more on beat/sound, but if you were raised on melodic and harmonic music, everything from classical, to rock, to pop and disco and r&b etc, you will naturally prefer the more melodic variety. Some people grow on the beat and sound stuff, other's look for something with beat/sound and melody, and GOOD trance I feel has all of these ingredients. I'de much rather enjoy a nice melody to listen to, then to listen to a relentless beat or sound. I would dance to that stuff, but on a listening basis, no...same goes for really experimental stuff, it's just not listenable to me. Melodic trance, prog, house and even some techno is... |
Because I still have 5 open slots this month to mention this song :stongue: and I feel you're worth it:
Choice - Acid Eiffel.
FEEL IT?! RIGHT THERE IN YOUR SOUL!
Just make sure you give credit where it's due to Psy T and Laurent Garnier.
I couldn't find a clip, if you need it, PM me. |
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| basd |
| Yes, techno is art. As is knitting. |
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| Estella |
| shiggity, splaggit boom bop! |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by Estella
Because I still have 5 open slots this month to mention this song :stongue: and I feel you're worth it:
Choice - Acid Eiffel.
FEEL IT?! RIGHT THERE IN YOUR SOUL!
Just make sure you give credit where it's due to Psy T and Laurent Garnier.
I couldn't find a clip, if you need it, PM me. |
WOohoo - What a TRACK!
Smasher Basher! |
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| arcadia190 |
i dont like techno
in my opinion it sucks
no le da ni por los tobillos al trance |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Estella
Jimmy, I think you'd appreciate the sound from Detroit. PM Magnetonium, Sandleaper, or Psy T and let them fill your head. There was a thread I created called "The most beautiful techno," in which lots of stunning tracks were recommended. I'll find it for you..The Most Beautiful Techno |
I really second that. The soft side of techno is its best* ;)
*i'm guessing basd will come and say he disagrees here, but it's just a matter of taste |
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